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To: presidio9
When you come to this country and become a citizen, you get a say once a year about what the government is doing. If Bill Clinton raises your taxes, you pay 'em. If you get drafted, you report to your recruiter.

Bullsh!t. If the government instituted a draft tomorrow to fight a war of liberation for Mexico, and Mexican immigrants in the U.S. were exempt from the draft, I can assure you that nobody on FreeRepublic with an IQ over 50 would report to their local recruiter.

Their lives were much better than that of the slaves.

That's not as clear as you might think. A family of Irish immigrants living in Pennsylvania lived a pretty miserable life, and they were exploited in a manner not much different than slaves were. Sure, they were "free" in a theoretical sense, but when you are lving in a company town and working in a coal mine at the age of nine for a meager wage that must be spent at a company store, you are not much more than a slave and don't have many options.

The one thing that eventually made life better for the Irish immigrants (as opposed to slaves in the South) was the influence of a powerful, paternalistic Catholic Church that took upon itself to serve as an advocate for these immigrants (I'll bet most people weren't aware, for example, that the Knights of Columbus were originally created to serve as a life insurance company for Catholic working men). In general, the most influential leaders in the history of the Catholic Church in the United States were from that era.

112 posted on 10/29/2003 1:26:37 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
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To: Alberta's Child
You know what? I am not going to fight this fight with you, because it is irrelevant and it is exactly what someone else on this thread intended when he brought up the subject and his crappy favorite movie. Nobody denies that the Irish had a tough time in Europe and when they first got to this country. Does that change the fact that abolishing slavery was one of the best most important things that this country has ever done?

I sure that you are aware that I am one of the strongest advocates of Catholicism and Irish Catholics in particular on this list. But this whole issue is for another day.
118 posted on 10/29/2003 2:13:38 PM PST by presidio9 (gungagalunga)
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