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BUSH HOSTED RAMADAN DINNER AAT WHITE HOUSE (Mired in controversy)
Yahoo ^ | 10/28/2003 | Staff

Posted on 10/29/2003 5:21:37 AM PST by JesseHousman

WASHINGTON (AFP) - George W. Bush hosted a Ramadan dinner with US Islamic leaders, as the White House was besieged with demands to fire an army general whom made comments some say makes the US-led war on terror out to be a war on Islam.

General William Boykin's comments surfaced two weeks ago, in which he likened the US battle against terror to a battle between Christiandom and the Muslim world, placing the Bush administration in an uncomfortable position.

While the Pentagon (news - web sites) has opened its own investigation, it has also said that it does not expect to ask Boykin to resign. He continued to serve as a undersecretary of defense for intelligence, in charge of tracking down Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) among others.

Bush invited Muslim leaders to an Iftar, the evening feast that breaks the dawn-to-dusk fast Muslims observe during the month of Ramadan. He organized the first White House Iftar after bin Laden and al-Qaeda launched the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

"America is a land of many faiths and we honor, and welcome and value the Muslim faith," Bush said in opening remarks before the meal.

At a mid-day press conference earlier Tuesday, Bush said that the controversial Boykin "doesn't reflect my point of view or the view of this administration."

"Our war is not against the Muslim faith."

"Americans think terrorists are evil people who have hijacked a great religion," Bush said, responding to a reporter's question.

Such statements, however, did not quell the Boykin controversy.

"The obvious response to the Boykin case is to say that because he is now under-secretary of defense for intelligence, he should be relieved of his post," The Washington Post said in an editorial Tuesday.

Boykin made his questionable speeches while wearing his military uniform before conservative Christian groups whom Bush will woo as part of his 2004 reelection campaign.

"It is highly likely that Bush himself, a genuinely devout Christian by all accounts, agrees with at least some, perhaps much, of what Boykin said," the Post speculated.

The US president had just returned from a tour of Asia, which included a three-hour stopover in Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population. He also met with several leaders of Muslim countries at the Asian-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC (news - web sites)) forum.

"Muslims are completely wrong to think that the US is engaged in a war against Islam," New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said.

"But that misperception flourishes in part because the domestic political strategy of the Bush administration -- no longer able to claim the Iraq (news - web sites) war was a triumph, and with little but red ink to show for its economic plans -- looks more and more like a crusade."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; iftar; kowtowing; ramadan; rmadan
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To: MississippiMan
Please read my post #53...
221 posted on 10/29/2003 10:31:32 AM PST by rintense
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To: MississippiMan
Indeed, the president's action are in perfect context with a political figure - which is truly "puzzling and disturbing" as you stated, when he also tries to come across as a devout Christian president. Let an unstable man think not that he will receive anything he claims by faith.
Honor to whom honor is due - the islamic faith is not an example of honorable at this point in time, especially.
222 posted on 10/29/2003 10:33:30 AM PST by Hila
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To: SJackson
It has to be made by the Muslim community, and I'm sorry to say the criticism of Mahathir's views from that segment of even American society has been virtually nonexistant.

I agree. That's why I found Taheri's article interesting. Best wishes.

223 posted on 10/29/2003 10:34:09 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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To: E Rocc
I'd just leave it there, a monument to ignorance and hate as it exists like satan: everywhere we turn..
224 posted on 10/29/2003 10:37:47 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: Hila
Look I realize who is involved in the war on terror and so does the president

as for other religions spewing hatred

I'm catholic and I can tell you for a fact that I have had some tell me that my religion and my beliefs are bad and that I will burn and rot in hell forever because of the way I believe .. and these people claim to be Christains

So because some people think this way .. should I condemn all christains of these certain faiths??
225 posted on 10/29/2003 10:41:00 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Mo1
lol mol..
226 posted on 10/29/2003 10:49:57 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: AmishDude
This, again, was common throughout all of antiquity,

Aeisha was 6 when "married" and 9 when her 50 some year old "husband" consumated the "marriage. The Bible does not show this kind of polygamy and sex with children was part of Judaism. Abraham did take a concubine --- but one of childbearing age --- the whole purpose in him taking one ---- and his wife Sara was no child. No prophet of the Bible was making harems of widows of men killed in battles, no harems of little girls.

I don't believe there was anything good or nice or wholesome about Mohammed. Jesus did not go about slaying people ---- but there was some of that in the Old Testament --- but for different reasons.

227 posted on 10/29/2003 10:50:23 AM PST by FITZ
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To: a_Turk
Taking in the family of your dead enemy is, in my view, an act of compassion, and of respect for your dead enemy.

I'm sure some of those widows were rather terrified and didn't enjoy being raped and forced to produce children for their enemies.

228 posted on 10/29/2003 10:52:50 AM PST by FITZ
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To: BayouCoyote; JesseHousman
I figure Koreshites. The government sure believes in making war on them when they want to experiment with arms.
229 posted on 10/29/2003 10:54:34 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Aquinasfan
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 is the Hadith reference apparently. Thanks.
230 posted on 10/29/2003 10:57:12 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There hasn't been a Caliphate in the Islamic world in over a thousand years, no unity among the sects.

And maybe that's much of the problem with this religion. There is no excommunication of people like bin Laden so he can and does set the agenda ---- and men like him. I know of good Persians who claim to be muslim, they actually are tolerant but the more you talk with them, the more that seems a holdover of their previous religion and culture --- not from islam. They also seem to think the Arab muslims are overboard, they'll even admit it comes from islam, from the religion and that Christian Arabs don't seem at all to have the same problem. They've told me the Arab muslims are "crazies" and "weird".

231 posted on 10/29/2003 10:58:13 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Cultural Jihad
The forum grows weary
The forum is software. Software does not grow weary.

Let's leave the speaking for the forum to Jim, ok? Thanks.

232 posted on 10/29/2003 10:59:48 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: a_Turk
Let me guess .. you're going burn in hell too??

If it helps any, my mother told me it might help me to keep saying Hail Mary's .. Lord knowsaae I need all the help I can get *L*
233 posted on 10/29/2003 11:00:19 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: FITZ
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the moral behavior of Mohammed, but he doesn't end up looking as bad as other rulers of his day. Now, he fails in comparison to lots of people -- Jesus in particular -- but I was addressing that one charge.

Marriages in OT days occured for girls as young as 3 (young boys, too). We'd really call them more "betrothals" but they were as binding as marriage.

234 posted on 10/29/2003 11:04:18 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Hila
It's the job of any Christian to always reach out to non-Christians. But in any case, remember that we are entering into an election, and that there are now more Moslem voters in the US than there are Jewish voters.
236 posted on 10/29/2003 11:05:01 AM PST by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Mo1
>> Let me guess .. you're going burn in hell too??

Far as I know, everytime someone passes that sort of judgement against you, they move themselves further away from God..
237 posted on 10/29/2003 11:05:07 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: Matchett-PI
"Speak for yourself, please. It's arrogant to presume to speak for others. I'm a conservative and you don't speak for me.

Since it's obvious that you do not agree with my beliefs, then you are 100 percent correct. Might want to change your main page to come in line with what you are saying. Seems quite a few of your Conservative principles were trampled all over by Bush. Unless of course you really do not believe what you wrote on your BIO. In which case, who is the principled one here?

238 posted on 10/29/2003 11:10:09 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: a_Turk
Yea well, I've learned to just deal with it.

As with all religions, including catholics .. there are some that take it a bit to far and over the edge
239 posted on 10/29/2003 11:11:42 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: rintense
Gee, rintense, you've contributed rational thought and common sense instead of emotional rhetoric. Whazza matter with you ? :)
240 posted on 10/29/2003 11:13:00 AM PST by Darlin' ("Americans do not turn away from duties because they are hard...." GWB, 26 Feb 2003)
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