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BUSH HOSTED RAMADAN DINNER AAT WHITE HOUSE (Mired in controversy)
Yahoo ^ | 10/28/2003 | Staff

Posted on 10/29/2003 5:21:37 AM PST by JesseHousman

WASHINGTON (AFP) - George W. Bush hosted a Ramadan dinner with US Islamic leaders, as the White House was besieged with demands to fire an army general whom made comments some say makes the US-led war on terror out to be a war on Islam.

General William Boykin's comments surfaced two weeks ago, in which he likened the US battle against terror to a battle between Christiandom and the Muslim world, placing the Bush administration in an uncomfortable position.

While the Pentagon (news - web sites) has opened its own investigation, it has also said that it does not expect to ask Boykin to resign. He continued to serve as a undersecretary of defense for intelligence, in charge of tracking down Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) among others.

Bush invited Muslim leaders to an Iftar, the evening feast that breaks the dawn-to-dusk fast Muslims observe during the month of Ramadan. He organized the first White House Iftar after bin Laden and al-Qaeda launched the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

"America is a land of many faiths and we honor, and welcome and value the Muslim faith," Bush said in opening remarks before the meal.

At a mid-day press conference earlier Tuesday, Bush said that the controversial Boykin "doesn't reflect my point of view or the view of this administration."

"Our war is not against the Muslim faith."

"Americans think terrorists are evil people who have hijacked a great religion," Bush said, responding to a reporter's question.

Such statements, however, did not quell the Boykin controversy.

"The obvious response to the Boykin case is to say that because he is now under-secretary of defense for intelligence, he should be relieved of his post," The Washington Post said in an editorial Tuesday.

Boykin made his questionable speeches while wearing his military uniform before conservative Christian groups whom Bush will woo as part of his 2004 reelection campaign.

"It is highly likely that Bush himself, a genuinely devout Christian by all accounts, agrees with at least some, perhaps much, of what Boykin said," the Post speculated.

The US president had just returned from a tour of Asia, which included a three-hour stopover in Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population. He also met with several leaders of Muslim countries at the Asian-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC (news - web sites)) forum.

"Muslims are completely wrong to think that the US is engaged in a war against Islam," New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said.

"But that misperception flourishes in part because the domestic political strategy of the Bush administration -- no longer able to claim the Iraq (news - web sites) war was a triumph, and with little but red ink to show for its economic plans -- looks more and more like a crusade."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; iftar; kowtowing; ramadan; rmadan
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To: TLBSHOW
Ping. Oh wait, you've been banned again!!!!BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
181 posted on 10/29/2003 9:19:29 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Dane
Come on get with the program, LQ, don't you know that foaming at the mouth is a much better strategy.
Don't underestimate the power of mindless emotional reactions instead of thinking. Look how long the liberals have lasted.

-Eric

182 posted on 10/29/2003 9:21:21 AM PST by E Rocc (If Muslims "hate America", why do returning troops all say most Iraqi civilians welcomed them?)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
My original post was merely musing as to what message other religions, not currently on the White House dinner list, might infer from the addition if the Iftar celebration only after an attack on the nation.

My guess they would complain .. but then if they would complain about a dinner .. they would complain about anything

For example .. Halloween is coming up .. if the WH invited a bunch of witches for dinner .. I can think of a number of people that would be in an uproar over that

183 posted on 10/29/2003 9:24:24 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Rebelbase
LOL! .. you are so mean
184 posted on 10/29/2003 9:25:21 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: a_Turk
Nickname like Bubba or Billy-Bob.
185 posted on 10/29/2003 9:29:51 AM PST by Cooter
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To: seamole
"So Christians can't "honor, and welcome and value" a heathen religion without losing their Christianity?"

Well based on many of the comments that I have read on this board apparently not. I really don't know. You tell me.
186 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32:04 AM PST by Kerberos (Socialism, it's not just a liberal thang anymore.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

"Sometimes the absolute lack of intelligence exhibited by posters in this forum amazes me." - Dark Drake

No Louie, once again you're upside down and backwards. Unintelligent is when someone thinks that to have a holy war you need some a declaration from some particular jackoff. As always, the majority wins the day. The majority of Muslims, even many Americanized ones are perfectly happy with holywars, dead Jews, dead Americans destruction of Israel and a flat earth. This needs to change either by the carot or the stick, but it must change.

Just because you have your talking points down doesn't mean that you're smart, or smarter than anyone else. Don't look down your nose at people Louie, you ain't always so great yourself you know.

187 posted on 10/29/2003 9:34:45 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: JustAnAmerican; oldglory; MinuteGal; Luke FReeman; gonzo; sheikdetailfeather; Grampa Dave; ...
"...Which includes pissing off most of the Conservative base..."

Speak for yourself, please. It's arrogant to presume to speak for others. I'm a conservative and you don't speak for me.

A wise and circumspect President Bush has CORRECTLY framed this war on terror as a war between civilisation and barbarianism.

Those who insist on thinking they are wiser than he is in how this war should be framed and are busily undermining his leadership, are stupid and are, in fact, playing right into the hands of the terrorists who have been trying to frame this war as a "holy war" from the very beginning.

The DemocRATS love having so many useful idiots helping them in their efforts to undermine GWB and American interests both here and abroad.

They have to be laughing up their a$$ when they see that some of their "helpers" are supposedly "conservatives".

188 posted on 10/29/2003 9:35:43 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: Aquinasfan
You have a source on that? I remember 9 and 12 from long before 9/11.
189 posted on 10/29/2003 9:36:54 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: a_Turk
On another thread you alluded to a speach given by a Turkish official at the Islamic conference, a contrast to the Malaysian President's (?) speach. Can you post it, or provide a link?
190 posted on 10/29/2003 9:36:55 AM PST by SJackson
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To: JesseHousman
"Muslims are completely wrong to think that the US is engaged in a war against Islam,"
Those aren't Southern Baptists that are ambushing our soldiers.

Those Iraqi policemen and civilians dying along side our soldier to help rebuild their country aren't Southern Baptists either.

The Iraqis risking their lives to point out the location of terrorist and those Iraqis inviting Christian U.S. soldiers into their homes to eat ALSO aren't Southern Baptist.

192 posted on 10/29/2003 9:37:37 AM PST by Aaron0617
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To: rintense
That's bull and you know it.

What part of my post is bull?

MM

193 posted on 10/29/2003 9:39:44 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Aquinasfan
I didn't know God was into contradictions.

The God of Islam is. He is also into abrogation, i.e. the doctrine that whatever statement in the Koran is contradictory of another statement, the latter statement takes precedence, as in the words of Sura 2, V 106:

"Such of our revelations as We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring (in place) one better or the like therof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?"

How curious that the immutable word of Allah needs correction.

194 posted on 10/29/2003 9:41:59 AM PST by browardchad
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To: Luis Gonzalez
>> There hasn't been a Caliphate in the Islamic world in over a thousand years

The Caliphate had been abolished by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and the Turkish parliament in 1924..
195 posted on 10/29/2003 9:42:33 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: SJackson
>> On another thread you alluded to a speach given by a Turkish official at the Islamic conference, a contrast to the Malaysian President's (?) speach.

Sorry, I am not aware of any link. Just an article I read in a Turkish paper..
197 posted on 10/29/2003 9:44:35 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: Matchett-PI
>> Those who insist on thinking they are wiser than he is in how this war should be framed and are busily undermining his leadership, are stupid and are, in fact, playing right into the hands of the terrorists who have been trying to frame this war as a "holy war" from the very beginning.

Ditto that!
198 posted on 10/29/2003 9:45:53 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: MississippiMan
All of it. Bush isn't endorsing any religion. He's simply honoring the traditions of ALL religions. If he's promoting/endorsing Islam, then he is also doing the same for Christianity during Christmas and Easter, as well as Judaism during Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah.

President Bush is President of all the people. And even though his public views on Islam may not mirror yours and mine, it is simply irrational to expect the President, or any President for that matter, to denounce a religion, especially in a country where freedom of religion is a founding principle.

199 posted on 10/29/2003 9:48:22 AM PST by rintense
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To: JesseHousman
Read Spanish history. Muslims make very cruel conquerors and slave owners.

In the 15th century Jews did quite well under Muslim rule. After the Reconquista in 1492, the victorious Catholics presented them with a new choice: convert to Christianity or forfeit all possessions.
200 posted on 10/29/2003 9:53:01 AM PST by Belial
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