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Army files charge in combat tactic
Washington Times ^ | 10/29/03 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 10/28/2003 9:43:31 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:09:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Army has filed a criminal assault charge against an American officer who coerced an Iraqi into providing information that foiled a planned attack on U.S. soldiers.

Lt. Col. Allen B. West says he did not physically abuse the detainee, but used psychological pressure by twice firing his service weapon away from the Iraqi. After the shots were fired, the detainee, an Iraqi police officer, gave up the information on a planned attack around the northern Iraqi town of Saba al Boor.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allenwest; army; interrogation; iraq; rowanscarborough; ucmj; westforcongress; wildwest
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1 posted on 10/28/2003 9:43:31 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
All I can say is Just Damn!!!If this report is true,I support this soldier and I think others should do the same.
2 posted on 10/28/2003 9:51:03 PM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: kattracks
This is the story right after the one above.

Methinks GWB is no longer serious about this war.

Of course, I have had my doubts about his seriousness, cause he hasn't closed the southern borders, or has not gotten serious about homeland security.

 President Bush yesterday reiterated his position that the comments of Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, who has spoken at Christian gatherings about a religious dimension to the war on terrorism, do not represent the views of the administration.
    Citing the review of the highly decorated three-star general by the inspector general of the Defense Department, Mr. Bush said Gen. Boykin "doesn't reflect my point of view or the point of view of this administration."
    It was the second time Mr. Bush has spoken on the Boykin comments amid his attempts to portray the war on terror as not being a war against Islam, but against extremists who have "hijacked a great religion."


    At a White House news conference yesterday, Mr. Bush said Muslim leaders whom he met with on his trip last week to Asia asked: "Why do Americans think Muslims are terrorists?"


    "That's not what Americans think," Mr. Bush said. "Americans think terrorists are evil people who have hijacked a great religion.


    "We welcome Muslims in our country. In America, we love the fact that, that we're a society in which people can pray openly, or not pray at all, for that matter. And I made that point to the Muslim leaders."


    However, the president's rebukes of Christians and assurances of his confidence in Muslims do not appear to be winning over Muslims in the United States or abroad.


    Several imams and activists representing at least four Islamic organizations were calling for a boycott of an Iftaar dinner being held last night at the White House in honor of Ramadan.


    Urging Muslims invited to the dinner "to decline the invitation" and "let President Bush eat by himself," an announcement of the boycott was posted on the Web site of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group.


    Mr. Bush's task is further complicated by Muslims leaders worldwide, as shown by the recent dispute surrounding his castigation of Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad for telling a conference of Islamic leaders in Malaysia earlier this month that "Jews rule this world by proxy."


    Mr. Bush met last week with Mr. Mahathir at an economic summit in Bangkok, where he told the Malaysian that such statements about Jews were "wrong and divisive."


    After the economic summit, however, Mr. Mahathir said at a news conference that reports that Mr. Bush had scolded him were wrong.


    "Certainly, he did not rebuke me," said Mr. Mahathir, who steps down at the end of this month after 22 years in power. "All he said was that 'I regret today to have to use strong words against you.' After that, we were walking practically hand in hand."


    Mr. Bush said at a news conference yesterday that his meetings with Muslim leaders during his Asia-Pacific trip were "very positive" and "very hopeful."


    "We've got a challenge to make sure that people in countries like Indonesia understand the nature of the American people," he said. "It's going to be an important part of good diplomacy in the long run. We've got to fight off the imagery of a society which condemns entire swaths of people because of the acts of a few. It's just not the way we are."


    Gen. Boykin, a highly decorated Special Forces combat veteran now serving as deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence and special operations, has been quoted as saying the war against terrorists, such as those who killed and mutilated U.S. soldiers in Somalia in the name of religion, is a battle between good and evil with terrorists representing "Satan."


    He was criticized after NBC News, on Oct. 15, broadcast segments of speeches Gen. Boykin, an evangelical Christian, made at churches in Oklahoma, Oregon and Florida.


    The Los Angeles Times, on Oct. 16, carried a commentary piece by William A. Arkin, accusing the general of taking to the pulpit at the Good Shepherd Community Church in Sandy, Ore., and telling churchgoers that "the battle that we're in is a spiritual battle."


    "Satan wants to destroy this nation, he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army," Mr. Arkin quoted Gen. Boykin as saying. The Washington Times was unable to locate Mr. Arkin yesterday.


    Pentagon officials yesterday said Gen. Boykin continues to do his job during the inspector general review, which the general requested himself.


    Martha Goldstein, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Times said the newspaper has not been called by the Pentagon inspector general. NBC News spokeswoman Allison Gollust said she had "checked with a number of people here and no one is aware of any request from the [inspector general]."


    Mr. Bush first distanced himself from Gen. Boykin last week when reporters traveling with the president asked whether Muslim clerics with whom he had met in Indonesia were upset about the general's comments.


    At that time, Mr. Bush said he had told the clerics that Gen. Boykin's comments "didn't reflect my opinion" and the Muslim clerics "were pleased to hear that."

3 posted on 10/28/2003 9:51:27 PM PST by dts32041 (Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
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To: kattracks
I can only conclude the Army will lose the case.
4 posted on 10/28/2003 9:52:39 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence applies in all cases)
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To: river rat; SLB; Matthew James; ExSoldier; Squantos; harpseal
We're still not serious.
5 posted on 10/28/2003 9:54:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: dts32041
Anyone who thinks a sitting President can come out and agree with Gen. Boykin in public is an idiot. He's the freeking President not some bar jockey !
6 posted on 10/28/2003 10:01:39 PM PST by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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To: america-rules
I guess your right after all Patton got in trouble for comparing the Nazi party to the Rats and pubbies, so sitting politicans to offense at that, but it still does explain why the borders have not been shut down and why the illegals have not been removed from this country?
7 posted on 10/28/2003 10:07:33 PM PST by dts32041 (Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
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To: kattracks
Man should be promoted to full bird, and his rat-like persecutors drummed out of the Army. They seem to think we can defeat this enemy by playing patty-cake with him.
8 posted on 10/28/2003 10:17:13 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Travis McGee
We're still not serious.

Pretty sad, isn't it? Seems like the higher ups in the Army want to give this war the good old "college try". If we lose it's no biggie, at least we fought it "right" and can feel good about losing. West should be commended for getting the information we needed.

9 posted on 10/28/2003 10:23:41 PM PST by mikegi
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To: mikegi; archy; patton
Exactly right. Better to play by Hoyle and lose, than use a little bit of hardball and win.

Lawyers will be the destruction of us all, even in the Army.

10 posted on 10/28/2003 10:27:41 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks
Make West a general. I like his style.
11 posted on 10/28/2003 10:28:00 PM PST by RLK
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To: kattracks
un-freakin-believable
12 posted on 10/28/2003 10:31:58 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Travis McGee
"Col. West said HE INFORMED his superior of his actions."

This was his mistake....

There are times, when an all inclusive after action report is not a good thing....
This was one of those times

It is best to NOT burden "superiors" with any information they may be unprepared or unwilling to "handle".

In a case like this....the Col. will be punished for allowing a terrorist conspirator to LIVE.....
He should have killed the bastard after learning the facts as he "attempted to escape".

Semper Fi

13 posted on 10/28/2003 10:50:55 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: dts32041
First of all the correct way to refer to George W. Bush is President Bush not Mr. Bush.

Second General Boykin is a fine man who is no doubt an excellent solder. He is also very naive. By making speeches in his uniform and comparing Muslims to Satan he embarrassed himself and the President.

Remember, President Bush is also the Commander-in-Chief (so he is Gen. Boykins boss) and could have fired General Boykin for the poor judgment he displayed in his comments and behavior. Instead, the President has elected to give the General verbal reprimands. I think the President, who is also a good man, is being as kind as possible to Gen. Boykin under the circumstances.
14 posted on 10/28/2003 10:56:37 PM PST by CHUCKfromCAL
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To: Travis McGee
I forgot to add.....
Remember how I've mentioned -- it should be almost IMPOSSIBLE for any long toothed enemy to achieve or maintain "prisoner status"?
This is an example of the problem...

Semper Fi
15 posted on 10/28/2003 10:58:17 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: river rat
Line up these infernal pantywaist JAG lawyers next!
16 posted on 10/28/2003 11:18:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks
Kinda like some of the things that happened in Nam.
17 posted on 10/28/2003 11:23:07 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Travis McGee
I must admit that our extended family has MORE that its share of that challenged breed of human -- Lawyer...

So I will not comment on your JAG remark.
(my wife is a lurker, and reads my remarks!)

Semper Fi
18 posted on 10/28/2003 11:50:24 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: kattracks
The Army has filed a criminal assault charge against an American officer who coerced an Iraqi into providing information that foiled a planned attack on U.S. soldiers.

coerced an Iraqi into providing information that foiled a planned attack on U.S. soldiers. Without physically harming him at that! If the Army's lawyers have nothing better to do than go after this man, give them guns and let them try to do the job the soldiers in Iraq are trying to do with one hand tied behind their backs. Would they have prefered he stand by and allow the planned attack to take place?

19 posted on 10/29/2003 2:48:58 AM PST by milemark (Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is conspiracy.)
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To: Travis McGee
I'm hoping the Army comes to its senses and decides to drop all charges and put him back in his job with an apology.

Chances of that happening? Slim and None, and Slim left town...

20 posted on 10/29/2003 2:54:07 AM PST by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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