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Need help with MS interview on Larry King

From Debi:

I took notes through the whole show...what do you think of the following? Did I miss anything important? Share with FR and tell them I need input from them too....
God bless,
Debi
Couple of points on Larry King Live:
1) When Terri first collapsed, Michael claims he worked late that night ... got home 2:00AM, at 4:30 he awoke to hear a thump and went out to find Terri collapsed in the hall and called 911.
FACT:
Michael did not call 911. He called Terri's father who called 911.

2) Michael claims the "falling out" with Terri's parents occurred on 2-14-03 and it was because the Schindlers wanted Terri's money.
FACT:
The "falling out" occurred because Michael was not providing therapy as promised in the court award. Terri's parents questioned if they provided the care, would the money from the settlement be used to help them out financially - which Michael refused to do.

3) Michael claimed he has provided therapy for Terri after she collapsed. I still need to get the facts on this Bob - but I do know that the care at Bayfront medical and the trip he made with Terri to California was done under the original insurance on Terri - not as part of the therapy he promised to provide for the rest of her life to the courts in 1993.
FACT:
Michael has NEVER provided any therapy after he received the settlement.

4) Michael claimed repeatedly he was following Terri's wishes
FACT:
Michael never mentioned Terri had ANY wishes about witholding medical treatment until AFTER he received the award money from the court in 1993. Subsequently, he began to withold all treatment for Terri - including antibiotics for a UTI (urinary tract infection) and by posting a DNR on her medical charts.

5) Michael claimed that the nurse who testified had a grudge against him because he was so adamant about caring for Terri and he admits he was hard on the nurses.
FACT:
Michael only flew into rages whenever anyone tried to care for Terri properly. (see affadavits from all nurses)

6) Michael claimed that the head nurse who cared for Terri for 4 years never saw any response and that Terri made the same "noises" of response when no one was in the room.
FACT:
How can anyone hear what is said when no one is in the room? In addition, the nurses caring for Terri, her parents and Msgr. Malanowski ALL said Terri responds. Shall we believe Michael or a priest???

7) Michael blamed the parents insistence on letting Terri live on the Right to Life right wing advocates filling their heads
FACT:
The "right wing activists for RTL" never got involved in this case until 2000 - yet Terri's parents have fought for guardianship and Terri's life since 1993. (I can personally testify to this as one of those "right wingers"!)

8) Michael claims 3 swallowing tests were done
FACT:
The barium swallowing test needed to ascertain if Terri can swallow foods has NEVER been done.

9) Michael claimed that 19 judges agreed with them and that the US Supreme Court also agreed with their testimony.
FACT:
This case has been passed from judge to judge to appelate to the Fl Supreme Court back to judge after judge on jurisdiction - not merits of the case. In addition the US Supreme Court refused to hear it - they never agreed with Schiavo.

10) Michael and Felos claimed doctor after doctor testified on their behalf that there is no hope for Terri and she is PVS.
FACT:
13 medical professionals on Terri's behalf (10 doctors, 3 nurses) testified to completely opposite opinions - none of which Judge Greer would hear.

11) One caller asked Michael if he really loved his wife and wanted to respect her wish to die, why didn't he move her to another state where the laws are more liberal, like Oregon, since he is the legal guardian.
RESPONSE:
Michael stumbled furiously and stated that he didn't know if the law would let him.

12) Michael stated that removing the feeding tube would be painless death.
FACT:
Medical experts, including David Stephens, Executive Director of the Christian Medical Association vehemently disagreed and described Terri's death as a slow, painful process.

13) Michael claimed he did the same thing to his own parents...
NO RESPONSE...we are shocked.

14) In viewing the video of Terri, Michael claims this is reflex action, Terri is brain dead, the video was edited down to just pertinent clips...
FACT/RESPONSE:
CNN Larry King then asked if they could go in and film Terri? Response..."You can view the videos we have."... Questioned again..."Could CNN come in there and do their own video to see what is going on? Answer: "NO - IT WOULD VIOLATE HER PRIVACY."

15) CNN asked if Michael would take a lie detector test...Michael said he would have to decline answering that.

Keep this info handy...Michael lied through his teeth!

[Theodore R.]

Well, I am confused again on this point: Did Schiavo or did he not starve and dehydrate both of his parents too? If so, did his brother and sister-in-law, who also said Terri would not want to live "with tubes," concur with the starvation and dehydration?

Notice, that Schiavo also went out of his way to say that he is "pro-choice."

[oceanperch]

Regarding #11 coming to Oregon. Don't even think about it Micheal because one PO'ed Angry Woman lives here. Don't even ponder it.

[FreepinforTerri]

I also noticed an inconsistency-

Michael says it's all about money and that he and Bob got into a fight because Bob wanted the money for himself- Then why did Michael later in the show say that the Schindler's offered to buy him off for 700,000? Why would they pay him if they were only in this for money? LIE LIE LIE

Anyways, Michael, if you're reading this: I'll double it. I'll pawn the fillings in my teeth and give you my income till I die- JUST LEAVE TERRI ALONE!

[d5055]

Deb
How about the remark by MS about all the money the Schindlers have from those right to life groups....I cant wait to get the text version of this interview
peace sister, donna

[T'wit]

> Michael lied through his teeth!

I -- am -- shocked!!!!

[syriacus]

Keep this info handy

Wonderful work.

I've bookmarked your very useful post as

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1009193/posts?page=179#179

I used the descriptive title
Terri --- Felos and Schiavo statements on Larry King 10/27/03 by cpforlife.org

So my bookmark is

Terri --- Felos and Schiavo statements on Larry King 10/27/03 by cpforlife.org

Thank you.

[tutstar]

Felos said that in Florida PVS is considered 'terminal'
this from here....
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:NVv7xXPO2PUJ:www.acponline.org/chapters/fl/eol_treatment.htm+FL+pvs+considered+terminal+illness&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Table 1 - Definitions
Terminal condition - a condition caused by injury, disease, illness for which there is no reasonable medical probability of recovery and which, without treatment, can be expected to cause death.

End-Stage Condition - a condition caused by injury, disease, or illness, which has resulted in progressively severe and permanent deterioration, and which, to a reasonable degree of medical probability, treatment of the condition would be ineffective.

Persistent Vegetative State - permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

1. The absence of voluntary action or Cognitive behavior of any kind;
2. Inability to communicate or interact Purposefully within environment

765.101 FL STAT (2001)

Any competent adult may designate a health care surrogate or make a living will expressing their wishes regarding withholding/withdrawing medical treatments. The patient's right to refuse treatment continues even when he/she becomes incapacitated.

The actual statutes
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0765/ch0765.htm

(4) "End-stage condition" means an irreversible condition that is caused by injury, disease, or illness which has resulted in progressively severe and permanent deterioration, and which, to a reasonable degree of medical probability, treatment of the condition would be ineffective.

(8) "Incapacity" or "incompetent" means the patient is physically or mentally unable to communicate a willful and knowing health care decision. For the purposes of making an anatomical gift, the term also includes a patient who is deceased.

(10) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function. The term does not include the administration of medication or performance of medical procedure, when such medication or procedure is deemed necessary to provide comfort care or to alleviate pain.

(12) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

(17) "Terminal condition" means a condition caused by injury, disease, or illness from which there is no reasonable medical probability of recovery and which, without treatment, can be expected to cause death.



According to #17 I don't see Felos statement as accurate.

[tutstar]

ALSO>....I believe important was that Michael was asked something about what if they were ruled against would he keep going....
Michael basically said...I'm going to honor Terri's wishes AND NOTHING'S GOING TO STOP ME.