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PENTAGON BIG DODGES DEATH (French Missiles Used in Attack)
New York Post ^ | 10/27/03 | NILES LATHEM and ANDY GELLER

Posted on 10/27/2003 5:00:41 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

October 27, 2003 -- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz was just a floor away from danger yesterday when a missile barrage blitzed the Baghdad hotel where he was staying - killing an American colonel and wounding 18 other people. Wolfowitz was dressing in a 12th-floor room when eight to 10 missiles crashed into the western side of the Al Rasheed hotel at 6:10 a.m. - punching holes in the modern, concrete facade and shattering windows in two dozen rooms.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alrashidhotel; france; illegalweapons; missiles; wolfowitz
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To: Prodigal Son
Define "soon."
21 posted on 10/27/2003 6:58:57 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Prodigal Son
"What exactly would you like him to do?"



Cut off their food and the food to anyone that assists them. You can't eat oil.

Red
22 posted on 10/27/2003 7:07:37 AM PST by Redwood71
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To: af_vet_1981
Well, define what the parameters are for our national survival being at stake and then you'll have my definition of soon. I'm just working with your definition of the problem- that we will use nukes when our survival is at stake. Do you believe our survival to be at stake at present?
23 posted on 10/27/2003 7:22:33 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
I think if the terrorists get their hands on WMDs they will use them. I think that if there is no lethal price to pay a number of Islamic countries and NK will stockpile WMDs to further their cause(s). I think North Korea and Pakistan already have nuclear devices. I think Syria already has chemical and perhaps whatever Iraq had. Iran is months away from nuclear. Libya possibly has chemical. I'm a bit fuzzy as to who has what in biological capabilities.

All these regimes are a problem for us with North Korea, Iran, and Syria requiring attention before the 2004 election, which I don't know will happen. I expect we will not use our nukes until one million Americans have died due to an attack by one of these states or its terrorist partners. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think the majority of the nation supports the Bush doctrine. I don't think the majority of FreeRepublic posters support the Bush doctrine. I expect we will suffer another attack before we strike. I pray I'm wrong.

24 posted on 10/27/2003 7:44:44 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
25 posted on 10/27/2003 8:11:37 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: af_vet_1981
I think if the terrorists get their hands on WMDs they will use them.

I agree 100%. Which is why Pakistan worries me so much. Al Qaeda and the Taliban have both taken up refuge there. There are nukes there. The only thing standing between the nukes and al Qaeda is Musharraf. Doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence does it? Furthermore, the area in which al Qaeda has taken refuge is the are where Musharraf has the least control. If I were bin Laden or whoever is in charge of al Qaeda right now, getting my hands on those nukes would be my only goal. I wouldn't care if it took another five years, all my resources would be focused on that.

I have my own personal ideas about how to solve that problem but I feel they are too radical to air publicly. It hinges around getting Musharraf to agree to destroying his nukes and nuclear program and what would have to be used as leverage to make him do so. The end result would be- no nukes= no nukes for al Qaeda to grab.

Iran's nuclear threat is easily neutralized if we care to do so. It wouldn't even take a massive airstrike, just a pinpoint one. But there are lots of interesting dynamics in Iran that must factor into the situation. There is unrest from within, for example.

For me, the problem we have the best chances of dealing effectively with through sustained military force is Syria. Our troops are getting attacked on the ground apparently from insurgents who are using Syria (among other places) to infiltrate Iraq. Assad claims he can't do anything to stop it. He might even be telling the truth. What I suspect he means when he makes those types of noises is he doesn't have the sway to deal with the hardliners in the Baath party who approve of the attacks in Iraq.

But Israel is already providing much pressure against Syria. Israel is Syria's biggest strategic threat. If we were to apply serious pressure to Assad now, we would have his codsack in the ole nutcracker and we could make him move in the direction that pleased us.

What I would like to see is our carriers head back to the Med to patrol off the coast of Syria. No official announcements, no overt public sabre rattling, just those carriers cruising back and forth off the coast and behind the scenes bare bones, no holds barred diplomacy (read serious arm twisting). Maybe with enough pressure and some honest to goodness support and reward, Assad could be induced to clean out his hardliners.

It is a longshot I admit. But if you could accomplish this without committing American troops, it would be a huge coup and would pay huge dividends on the ground in Iraq and in Israel. This would free up our attention for Iran and the other problem of Pakistan.

I personally don't view North Korea as that much of a threat as long as they don't try to sell their nukes. Or if a threat, then an equal threat to Russia, China and Japan. What I'm saying is, there are other players there who have as much or more interest in keeping North Korea sorted out as we do. China has much more sway there than we do and it is their back yard. If they want to be a player on the international stage, they need to step up and take some responsibility for their neighborhood.

26 posted on 10/27/2003 8:36:48 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Your comments make alot of sense.

I personally don't view North Korea as that much of a threat as long as they don't try to sell their nukes.

I expect them to sell, trade, and cultivate ties with other enemies of America. I expect WMDs will be part of their exports. It is a risk I'm unwilling to take. I don't think an embargo will work. I hope the President is unwilling to take the risk of waiting indefinitely. NK should be "voted out" before the 2004 elections.

27 posted on 10/27/2003 8:41:53 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Who are our enemies?
28 posted on 10/27/2003 8:54:16 AM PST by blackie
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To: kattracks
"A day earlier, a rocket-propelled grenade forced down a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter north of Baghdad."

Error. The chopper had just landed when it was attacked by RPG. It was NOT "shot down."

Michael

29 posted on 10/27/2003 9:09:15 AM PST by Wright is right! (Never get excited about ANYTHING by the way it looks from behind.)
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To: af_vet_1981
I'm curious when President Bush is going to lay down the hammer on France

I'm curious when he's going to lay down the hammer on Iraq.

30 posted on 10/27/2003 9:13:33 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Prodigal Son
Do you believe our survival to be at stake at present?

He doesn't.

I do.

31 posted on 10/27/2003 9:15:39 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Prodigal Son
I have my own personal ideas about how to solve that problem but I feel they are too radical to air publicly

Reunify India.

Reverse the illegitimate partition of 1948, which turned over part of India to be ruled by Muslims.

There are no grounds to tolerate an exclusively Muslim state anywhere in the world, certainly not on the territory of a majority Hindu nation.

After partition is undone, turn the problem of how to manage the radical Islamists over to New Delhi. They seem to have done a good job in their own territory so far.

32 posted on 10/27/2003 9:19:53 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
33 posted on 10/27/2003 11:01:26 AM PST by windchime
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; MeeknMing; autoresponder

French weapons produced after the arms
embargo against Iraq following the Gulf War.

I am shocked, shocked!

34 posted on 10/27/2003 4:42:16 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; yall

35 posted on 10/27/2003 5:29:51 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The London Sun reported today that half of the rockets used in the attack were French weapons produced after the arms embargo against Iraq following the Gulf War.

See also Prodigal Son's #5 - Russian made, too.

Now why does this not surprise me?

36 posted on 10/27/2003 11:16:11 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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