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"Naked" Miss Afghanistan slammed (Shut-Up Burqa Boys, she lives in the Land of the Free)
AFP via Melbourne Herald Sun ^ | 27 October 2003

Posted on 10/26/2003 9:09:04 PM PST by Stultis

"Naked" Miss Afghanistan slammed
AFP
27oct03

PRESIDENT Hamid Karzai's minister for women's affairs yesterday condemned Miss Afghanistan, as Vida Samadzai became the country's first woman in the post-Taliban era to appear in a bikini during a beauty contest in Manila.

"Appearing naked before a camera or television is not women's freedom but in my opinion is to entertain men," Minister Habiba Surabi said.

"We condemn Vida Samadzai, she is not representing Afghanistan's women, and this is not women's freedom."

Surabi said according to Afghan culture women should not demonstrate their worth using their "beauty or bodies" but by their skills and knowledge.

"In the name of women's freedom, what this Afghan girl has done is not freedom but is lascivious," the minister said.

The 25-year-old Afghan contestant, who lives in the United States, is the first Afghan woman in 30 years to participate in the Miss World international beauty contest being held in the Philippines capital this week.

The dark-haired, black-eyed Samadzai, apparently from a Pashtun tribe, was born and raised in Afghanistan but left for the United States in 1996 to escape the extremist Taliban regime which forced women to cover themselves from head to toe.

Under the harsh regime women were not allowed to work outside their homes or go out without a close relative beside them. After the fall of the militia in 2001, an increasing number of women left the burqa, or veil, at home and some took jobs.

The only other Miss Afghanistan was Zohra Daoud, who joined the Miss Universe contest in 1972.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; missafghanistan; pageant
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To: Stultis
"We condemn Vida Samadzai, she is not representing Afghanistan's women, and this is not women's freedom."

Here is an original idea, why not let women decide what their freedom is?
181 posted on 10/29/2003 4:29:59 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: John O
Quick addendum. On second thought I can't give you the acadamies. Attendance there is not a right, its a priviledge.

The right is equality under law, not attendance. The Academies are governmental institutions not private ones.

182 posted on 10/30/2003 1:04:37 AM PST by laredo44
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To: John O
I do not recognize the ability to murder your unborn child as a right even if the supremes say it is.

My statement dealt with the accuracy of your contention that women enjoy the same rights now as they did 50 or so years ago. Most women would not return to the 50's for this reason alone.

183 posted on 10/30/2003 1:16:20 AM PST by laredo44
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To: laredo44
The right is equality under law, not attendance. The Academies are governmental institutions not private ones.

Men over the age of 60 are not allowed to enroll in the service academies either. Are they not equal under the law? Or how about men who are quadraplegics? I can't qualify for the WIC program (seeing as I'm not a woman, and infant or a child and I earn too much) Does that make me unequal under the law.

Some people just don't qualify for some activities. Women should not be in combat roles in the military. They really shouldn't even be in the military as that is not the best use of them as a resource of this country. This is not a case of rights. They still have the same rights as they did in the 50's.

My statement dealt with the accuracy of your contention that women enjoy the same rights now as they did 50 or so years ago. Most women would not return to the 50's for this reason alone.

And part of the evidence you used was abortion. They shouldn't have the right to murder today. It is a violation of our foundational right to life.

Therefore they did have the same rights in the 50s that they have now AND they were regarded more highly by society. They had more freedom of action and they were, I'd hazard to guess, much happier.

Now admittedly I live in a community where many women live the 50's type lifestyle and they are thrilled with it. In fact I seem to remember reading a while back that there is a growing number of women either leaving the workforce or never joining it. Lots of college girls have realized that being a wife and mommy is their calling in life and they intend to be happy instead of have a career

We could go on about this all day but we've gone too far off topic. I won't respond to any answer (that is, I'll let you have the last word if you so desire) and we'll pick this up again on a thread more suited to it. God bless.

184 posted on 10/30/2003 4:20:52 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Stultis
Here's a pic of another muslim girl gone "bad". Actually I think she's Pakastani by her father, a holy man.


185 posted on 10/30/2003 5:03:14 AM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: traumer
First, give her some food.....

No kidding. I look at that and to me she looks like she's built like a 15 year old boy.

Real women have curves.

186 posted on 10/30/2003 5:07:45 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.)
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To: Fzob
"Appearing naked before a camera or television is not women's freedom but in my opinion is to entertain men," Minister Habiba Surabi said.

How can you possibly disagree with that? I'd say it is spot on. Take the statement as if he were actually talking about naked women, perhaps commenting on the porn industry and not Miss Afghanistan in a bathing suit (that's no bikini BTW).

187 posted on 10/30/2003 5:11:18 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.)
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To: Thumper1960
It is not God who finds shame in nudity; it is the influence of Satan and the initial defiance of God's commands that has brought about "prudishness".

That's a subject that could fill an entire thread of its own.

188 posted on 10/30/2003 5:25:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.)
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To: Stultis
They look a little scrawny ....
189 posted on 10/30/2003 5:33:27 AM PST by Rainmist
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
What makes you think I disagreed with the statement?
190 posted on 10/30/2003 8:59:21 AM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: Fzob
What makes you think I disagreed with the statement?

I'm sorry. I just went back and read your original comment. I thought you'd stated 'agree'...not 'disagree'.

Dang! I just gotta learn to keep my fingers off the keyboard before I've had coffee.

Again, apologies.


191 posted on 10/30/2003 9:11:45 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
"Appearing naked before a camera or television is not women's freedom but in my opinion is to entertain men," Minister Habiba Surabi said.

Ham-head Karzi's government is not so far remove from the Taliban after all... Perhaps it's better to pave the place over and start again from scratch...

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

192 posted on 10/30/2003 9:13:26 AM PST by mhking
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To: wallcrawlr
Brave and beautiful...nice package

Beautiful? You better look closer - she is coyote ugly.

193 posted on 10/30/2003 9:31:33 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: Stultis
"Appearing naked before a camera or television is not women's freedom but in my opinion is to entertain men," Minister Habiba Surabi said.
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Yes, and we appreciate being entertained. What will they do when PLAYBOY has "The Girls of Afghanistan."

194 posted on 10/30/2003 9:33:34 AM PST by doug from upland (Why aren't the Clintons living out their remaining years on Alcatraz?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
No Problem. Done same sort of thing more times than I care to admit.
195 posted on 10/30/2003 9:35:03 AM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: Stultis

196 posted on 10/30/2003 10:31:16 AM PST by mhking
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To: Stultis

Wow!
197 posted on 10/30/2003 10:39:05 AM PST by SquirrelKing
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To: Lion in Winter
...those jerky talibans


Mmmm...Taliban jerky...

198 posted on 10/30/2003 10:45:09 AM PST by SquirrelKing
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To: Unam Sanctam
The display is immodest and makes of woman a mere sexual object.

So the problem is where?

Football is immodest and makes of men a mere barbarian object. Should we cancel all football games? Make the players wear burkas?

199 posted on 10/30/2003 10:48:00 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Is this thread still sputtering on? Give it a rest. It's been three days and this is post 200.
200 posted on 10/30/2003 10:50:05 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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