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Mark Steyn: Take Your Turn (Mark comments on Muslim gang-rape in France and elsewhere.)
SteynOnline ^ | October 25, 2003 | Mark Stayn

Posted on 10/25/2003 6:35:28 PM PDT by quidnunc

While Dr Mahathir can rant that the Jews control the world, your more open-minded conspiracy theorist might reasonably conclude that it's the Muslims who have an inside track with the world's media. Here's a classic example of the lengths the American press go to to avoid offending the sensibilities of its delicate readers. What word does not appear in this  New York Times headline about France's gang-rape epidemic?  " A Crime Of The Young Stalks France's Urban Wastelands. (Link) "  A crime of "the young"? Any "young" in particular? Well, if you burrow down deep in the piece, you'll find the word "Muslim" does appear once, but applied to the female victims not the male perpetrators. I prefer my own take on the subject from early September 2002 in The Face Of The Tiger . One point worth emphasizing is this: comparing my experiences in "les banlieus" and the Middle East, I would say the unassimilated Muslim immigrants of Europe are far more radical, far more violent, far more hostile to the west — a perverse tribute, in its own way, to the illusions of multiculturalism :

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In August, in Sydney, the pack leader of a group of Lebanese Muslim gang-rapists was sentenced to 55 years in gaol. I suppose I ought to say “Lebanese-Australian” Muslim gang-rapists, since the accused were Australian citizens. But, identity-wise, the rambunctious young lads considered themselves heavy on the Lebanese, light on the Australian. During their gang rapes, the lucky lady would be told she was about to be “fucked Leb style” and that she deserved it because she was an “Australian pig”.

But, inevitably, it’s the heavy sentence that’s “controversial”. After September 11th, Americans were advised to ask themselves, “Why do they hate us?” Now Australians need to ask themselves, “Why do they rape us?” As Monroe Reimers put it on the letters page of The Sydney Morning Herald : 

As terrible as the crime was, we must not confuse justice with revenge. We need answers. Where has this hatred come from? How have we contributed to it? Perhaps it's time to take a good hard look at the racism by exclusion practised with such a vengeance by our community and cultural institutions.

Indeed. Many’s the time, labouring under the burden of some or other ghastly government policy, I’ve thought of pinning some gal down and sodomising her while 14 of my pals look on and await their turn. But I fear in my case the Monroe Reimers of the world would be rather less eager to search for “root causes”. Gang rape as a legitimate expression of the campaign for social justice is a privilege reserved only unto a few.

Mr Reimers, though, will be happy to know his view is echoed across the hemispheres. Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country’s rapes were committed by “non-western” immigrants — a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands “rape is scarcely punished” because it is generally believed that “it is women who are responsible for rape”.

So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.” Or to modify Queen Victoria’s wedding-night advice to her daughter: lie back and think of Yemen.

France? Well, I can’t bring you any ethnic rape statistics from the Fifth Republic because the authorities go to great lengths not to keep any. But, even though the phenomenon of immigrant gang rape does not officially exist, there’s already a word for it: the “ tournante ” — or “take your turn”. Last year, 11 Muslim men were arrested for enjoying a grand old tournante with a 14-year old girl in a cellar. It’s now a widely accepted communal “rite of passage” in the North African quartiers of French cities.

Whether or not certain cultures are more prone to rape is a delicate question we shall explore another day. But what’s interesting is how easily even this most extreme manifestation of multiculturalism is subsumed within the usual pieties. Norwegian women must learn to be, in a very real sense, less “exclusionary”. Lebanese male immigrants, finding refuge in a land of peace, freedom and opportunity, are somehow transformed into gang rapists by Australian racism.

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1 posted on 10/25/2003 6:35:28 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
For those who enjoy the thrill of reading straight through:

TAKE YOUR TURN

While Dr Mahathir can rant that the Jews control the world, your more open-minded conspiracy theorist might reasonably conclude that it's the Muslims who have an inside track with the world's media. Here's a classic example of the lengths the American press go to to avoid offending the sensibilities of its delicate readers. What word does not appear in this New York Times headline about France's gang-rape epidemic? "A Crime Of The Young Stalks France's Urban Wastelands." A crime of "the young"? Any "young" in particular? Well, if you burrow down deep in the piece, you'll find the word "Muslim" does appear once, but applied to the female victims not the male perpetrators. I prefer my own take on the subject from early September 2002 in The Face Of The Tiger. One point worth emphasizing is this: comparing my experiences in "les banlieus" and the Middle East, I would say the unassimilated Muslim immigrants of Europe are far more radical, far more violent, far more hostile to the west - a perverse tribute, in its own way, to the illusions of multiculturalism:

In August, in Sydney, the pack leader of a group of Lebanese Muslim gang-rapists was sentenced to 55 years in gaol. I suppose I ought to say “Lebanese-Australian” Muslim gang-rapists, since the accused were Australian citizens. But, identity-wise, the rambunctious young lads considered themselves heavy on the Lebanese, light on the Australian. During their gang rapes, the lucky lady would be told she was about to be “fucked Leb style” and that she deserved it because she was an “Australian pig”.
But, inevitably, it’s the heavy sentence that’s “controversial”. After September 11th, Americans were advised to ask themselves, “Why do they hate us?” Now Australians need to ask themselves, “Why do they rape us?” As Monroe Reimers put it on the letters page of The Sydney Morning Herald:

As terrible as the crime was, we must not confuse justice with revenge. We need answers. Where has this hatred come from? How have we contributed to it? Perhaps it's time to take a good hard look at the racism by exclusion practised with such a vengeance by our community and cultural institutions.

Indeed. Many’s the time, labouring under the burden of some or other ghastly government policy, I’ve thought of pinning some gal down and sodomising her while 14 of my pals look on and await their turn. But I fear in my case the Monroe Reimers of the world would be rather less eager to search for “root causes”. Gang rape as a legitimate expression of the campaign for social justice is a privilege reserved only unto a few.

Mr Reimers, though, will be happy to know his view is echoed across the hemispheres. Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country’s rapes were committed by “non-western” immigrants – a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands “rape is scarcely punished” because it is generally believed that “it is women who are responsible for rape”.

So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.” Or to modify Queen Victoria’s wedding-night advice to her daughter: lie back and think of Yemen.

France? Well, I can’t bring you any ethnic rape statistics from the Fifth Republic because the authorities go to great lengths not to keep any. But, even though the phenomenon of immigrant gang rape does not officially exist, there’s already a word for it: the “tournante” – or “take your turn”. Last year, 11 Muslim men were arrested for enjoying a grand old tournante with a 14-year old girl in a cellar. It’s now a widely accepted communal “rite of passage” in the North African quartiers of French cities.

Whether or not certain cultures are more prone to rape is a delicate question we shall explore another day. But what’s interesting is how easily even this most extreme manifestation of multiculturalism is subsumed within the usual pieties. Norwegian women must learn to be, in a very real sense, less “exclusionary”. Lebanese male immigrants, finding refuge in a land of peace, freedom and opportunity, are somehow transformed into gang rapists by Australian racism.

After September 11th, a friend in London said to me she couldn’t stand all the America-needs-to-ask-itself stuff because she used to work at a rape crisis centre and she’d heard this blame-the-victim routine a thousand times before. America was asking for it: like those Norwegian women, it was being “provocative”. Even so, it comes as a surprise to realize the multiculti apologists do exactly the same to actual rape victims. After the OJ verdict, it was noted by some feminists that “race trumped gender”. What we’ve seen since September 11th is that multiculturalism trumps everything. Its grip on the imagination of the western elites is unshakeable. Thus, President Bush, in the month after September 11th, went around declaring “Islam is peace” while surrounded by representatives of organisations whose literature claims Jews are apes.

On this “Islam is peace” business, Bassam Tibi, a Muslim professor at Goettingen University in Germany, gave a helpful speech a few months back: “Both sides should acknowledge candidly that although they might use identical terms these mean different things to each of them,” he said. “The word ‘peace’, for example, implies to a Muslim the extension of the Dar al-Islam - or ‘House of Islam’ - to the entire world. This is completely different from the Enlightenment concept of eternal peace that dominates Western thought.” Only when the entire world is a Dar al-Islam will it be a Dar a-Salam, or “House of Peace”.

On the face of it, that sounds ridiculous. The “Muslim world” – the arc stretching from North Africa through South Asia – is economically and militarily moribund. But, looked at through the lens of Norwegian rape or French crime, the idea of a Dar al-Islam doesn’t sound so ridiculous. The “code of silence” that surrounds rape in tightly knit Muslim families is, so to speak, amplified by the broader “code of silence” surrounding multicultural issues in the west. If all cultures are of equal value, how do you point out any defects?

As I understand it, the benefits of multiculturalism are that the sterile white-bread cultures of Australia, Canada and Britain get some great ethnic restaurants and a Commonwealth Games opening ceremony that goes on till two in the morning. But, in the case of those Muslim ghettoes in Sydney, in Oslo, in Paris, in Copenhagen and in Manchester, multiculturalism means that the worst attributes of Muslim culture – the subjugation of women – combine with the worst attributes of western culture – license and self-gratification. Tattooed, pierced Pakistani skinhead gangs swaggering down the streets of Northern England are as much a product of multiculturalism as the turban-wearing Sikh Mountie in the vice-regal escort at Rideau Hall. Yet even in the face of the crudest assaults on its most cherished causes – women’s rights, gay rights – the political class turns squeamishly away.

Once upon a time we knew what to do. A British district officer, coming upon a scene of suttee, was told by the locals that in Hindu culture it was the custom to cremate a widow on her husband’s funeral pyre. He replied that in British culture it was the custom to hang chaps who did that sort of thing. There are many great things about India – curry, pyjamas, sitars, software engineers – but suttee was not one of them. What a pity we’re no longer capable of being “judgmental” and “discriminating”. We’re told the old-school imperialists were racists, that they thought of the wogs as inferior. But, if so, they at least considered them capable of improvement. The multiculturalists are just as racist. The only difference is that they think the wogs can never reform: good heavens, you can’t expect a Muslim in Norway not to go about raping the womenfolk! Much better just to get used to it.

As one is always obliged to explain when tiptoeing around this territory, I’m not a racist, only a culturalist. I believe western culture – rule of law, universal suffrage, etc – is preferable to Arab culture: that’s why there are millions of Muslims in Scandinavia, and four Scandinavians in Syria. Follow the traffic. I support immigration, but with assimilation. Without it, like a Hindu widow, the west is slowly climbing on the funeral pyre of its lost empires. You see it in European foreign policy already: they’re scared of their mysterious, swelling, unstoppable Muslim populations.

Islam For All approvingly reported the other day that, at present demographic rates, in 20 years’ time the majority of Holland’s children (the population under 18) will be Muslim. It will be the first Islamic country in western Europe since the loss of Spain. Europe is the colony now.

Or as Charles Johnson of the Little Green Footballs website drolly suggested: “Maybe we should start a betting pool: which European country will be the first to institute shari’a?”
2 posted on 10/25/2003 6:41:26 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: quidnunc
Why the excerpted article? Its not a LAT/WP piece! Post the whole thing or let someone else do it.
3 posted on 10/25/2003 6:41:38 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: quidnunc
Get Ready, because with the Repression of the truth, it is gonna start being common place in America.

Just yesterday I was talking to an Assyrian friend if mine who stated it.

He said , Wait until they (Muslims) start raping the American woman and we will see how the liberals love their political correctness and tolerance.
4 posted on 10/25/2003 6:42:11 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: KantianBurke
Done! :-)
5 posted on 10/25/2003 6:44:49 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: quidnunc
The only reason that the media won't report these facts is because they're invested in keeping up the "religion of peace" mythology.

We're all dupes of a Zionist conspiracy, you know. (blech!)
6 posted on 10/25/2003 6:46:12 PM PDT by Prime Choice (---] Stay the course -- Bush 2004 [---)
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To: JennysCool
gracias!
7 posted on 10/25/2003 6:46:21 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: chicagolady
Wait until they (Muslims) start raping the American woman and we will see how the liberals love their political correctness and tolerance.

It didn't bother them when Clinton did it, so why would it bother them when the Muslims do it? They'll just claim that the poor little Muslims are being singled out and persecuted because of their "religion of peace."

Mark my words!

8 posted on 10/25/2003 6:47:55 PM PDT by Prime Choice (---] Stay the course -- Bush 2004 [---)
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To: KantianBurke
KantianBurke wrote: Why the excerpted article? Its not a LAT/WP piece! Post the whole thing or let someone else do it.

Mark Steyn is good enough to put his stuff on his home page (which isn't maintained for peanuts!) for us to read for FREE.

The least we can do is to give him a page hit instead of stealing his stuff.

9 posted on 10/25/2003 6:49:21 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: chicagolady
In the words of American prophet Bob Dylan...

"...It's a hard rain's a gonna fall."
10 posted on 10/25/2003 6:51:26 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: turtledove; Terriergal
FYI ping
11 posted on 10/25/2003 6:53:38 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Who is "Mark Stayn?"

(I really am not criticising. This typo just sruck me funny. Actually, it entertained me, so, don't change it. I wish I had thought of it. Great screen name.)

Great post, by the way. I love Mark Steyn, too.

Hank

12 posted on 10/25/2003 6:55:03 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: KantianBurke
>> ... lie back and think of Yemen.

Now there's one to remember :-) :-) About like Clinton telling Juanita Broaddrick, "Lie back and think about North Little Rock."

13 posted on 10/25/2003 6:55:46 PM PDT by T'wit
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To: chicagolady
>> Wait until they (Muslims) start raping the American woman and we will see how the liberals love their political correctness and tolerance.

Liberal women are themselves much, much too ugly to rape. They'll be perfectly safe. I think they'll set up bleachers and cheer the rapists.

14 posted on 10/25/2003 6:58:28 PM PDT by T'wit
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To: quidnunc; All
The least we can do is to give him a page hit instead of stealing his stuff

Actually, I like it both ways...Mark's Website doesn't have a 'printer friendly' button, so I go to the site and save it as a text file so he does get the page count, but would prefer to save in HTML, which, for some technical reason beyond my comprehension, is most successfully done on Free Republic.

15 posted on 10/25/2003 7:00:16 PM PDT by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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To: T'wit
LOL!

I wish I had a Hillary, Penosi or Carol Mosley Braun picture to insert here!
16 posted on 10/25/2003 7:03:05 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: chicagolady
chicagolady wrote: Get Ready, because with the Repression of the truth, it is gonna start being common place in America. Just yesterday I was talking to an Assyrian friend if mine who stated it. He said , Wait until they (Muslims) start raping the American woman and we will see how the liberals love their political correctness and tolerance.

Most of the Muslims who immigrated to the U.S. — and to a lesser extent, Canada (because of their political asylum policies) — are educated, employable people.

A high percentage of the North Africans going to France and elsewhere in Europe are uneducated and unskilled mopes who are either under-employed or living on welfare.

17 posted on 10/25/2003 7:12:37 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
You obviously do not live in a place where a the Radical Muslims are crawling out of the wood work. I do ...CHICAGO.
I go to a bible study with a bunch of Assyrian folks.
We have been threatened many times by phone calls. It is the North side of Chicago, It looks like Iran.
These are the folks from the "Old Country"

Someone called the cops and said young children were being raped in the basement ...where we have our study.
The good thing was we got to witness to the Police who were very open.

I know what I am talking about. And Chicago is just a picture of what is happening all over.
I also heard a program with a former Radical Muslim Scholar who said "If you do not believe they are out to destroy America" you better check again.
18 posted on 10/25/2003 7:21:09 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: JennysCool
Europeans have made their bed, they're beginning to reap the fruit of their labors. For certain PC types in this country we can't get there quickly enough. Islam is a blight that may one day cover the land.
19 posted on 10/25/2003 7:24:57 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: quidnunc
"A high percentage of the North Africans going to France and elsewhere in Europe are uneducated and unskilled mopes who are either under-employed or living on welfare."

"Most of the Muslims who immigrated to the U.S. — and to a lesser extent, Canada (because of their political asylum policies) — are educated, employable people."

Oh you are correct EDUCATED EMPLOYABLE FOLKS DO NOT RAPE!
Sorry, I forgot.
20 posted on 10/25/2003 7:26:35 PM PDT by chicagolady
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