Does anyone have a list of those who testified for both Schiavo and the Schindlers, so a comparison can be done of their testimony?
Is there anything we can learn from this?
When they came for the Catholics?
When they came for the Baptists?
When they came for the fundamentalists?
When they came for the agnostics?
When they came for the physically disabled?
When they came for the mentally disabled?
Just something for all of us to think about -- is this picture larger than we currently see it?
That is a damned lie from the pits of hell and I have a nephew to PROVE it is.
MarMema, I can't locate a link to the story, but who was the patient about whom he testified as having no chance of recovery, the guy who "woke up" soon after Cranford advised starving him to death?
And not only that, we have two recent cases discussed here on FR in just the past few days - one about a man in so-called PVS for 17 years who suddenly asked for a coke, and another woman who was in a coma for 16 years after complications from childbirth who said "stop that" to a nurse fixing her bed and was soon up and around.
Amazing that Terri hasn't been given any chance at all.
From this link - Meet Some Advocates of Imposed Death -
Ronald Cranford, MD, perhaps more than any other individual, has engineered the shift in medical practice and public opinion regarding denial of food and fluids to severely disabled, non-dying people. He helped create one of the country's first "bioethics" committees in 1972 and quickly established himself as an "expert" in this new field.
Often quoted, this Minneapolis neurologist is not an impartial professional but a propagandist for the "right" to kill. He was the principal voice calling for the starvation/dehydration deaths of Paul Brophy, Nancy Ellen Jobes, Nancy Cruzan and Christine Busalacchi, all of whom were brain-damaged but not dying. He testified that he would consider even spoon-feeding for Nancy Cruzan to be "medical treatment" because that "would be totally inconsistent with what was wanted" (her death). (Cruzan v. Harmon, [Missouri], Trial Testimony, 3/3/88, Transcript Vol. 1, pp. 228Ð229) He wrote in the CFD newsletter (Summer, 1988), "I also believe that there may be extreme situations, and in the future increasingly common situations, where physician-assisted suicide may not only be permissible, but encouraged."
Liberal's Sustaining Welfare Continued - But Experts Say No Hope Exists For Their Mental Recovery
They're a lost cause, sucking federal dollars and voting Democrat. They appear to be alive, but are actually in a coma. It would be better to put them out of their misery, even though they appear to be responsive and appear to take interest in political matters, such as voting.
So, let's stop feeding Christopher Reeve?
Not according to all the wannabe Doctors here on FreeRepublic who know otherwise...the reality is that we conservatives are torturing poor Terri. We have made her the poster child for the "Right to Life" movement but the debate is now a circus. After 13 years of hell on earth we will now extend that period.
In our zeal to save Terri, we quibble and snort over the exact terms of "coma" or "vegetative" and because medical science isn't exact we then beat up anyone who doesn't use the term they way we want it used. ~sigh. Vegetative or near vegetative is the same thing to Terri. Like modern day Pharisees we wrap ourselves in the cloak of righteousness, but it’s Terri who suffers. Do we ever consider if Terri does want to die?
May God bless Terri, and may HE forgive the conservatives who won't let her wishes be carried out.
a) persistent lie
b) husbands first attempt to have her 'die with dignity'.
I guess we should expect this sort of fecal material from the Washington Com-Post.
Oh really?
Girl emerges from coma during Bryan Adams concert
Last Updated: 2003-03-12 14:00:21 -0400 (Reuters Health)
MUNICH, Germany (Reuters Health) - A young woman left in a coma for six years after she collapsed at school has started to respond to the world around her after her mother took her to see her pop star hero Bryan Adams perform live.
Christiane Kittel, now 24, was left in a vegetative state after her collapse on 12 June 1997. Doctors believe her condition was caused by a combination of hot weather, a hereditary haemophilia condition and side-effects of the contraceptive pill.
She had to be resuscitated three times, once at school and twice at the University Clinic in Regensburg, where she underwent surgery before being attached to life-support machines in the intensive care unit.
Later she was moved to the intensive care unit at the Clinic for Neurologic Rehabilitation in Regensburg, where her parents Karl-Gunther and Adelheide Kittel have kept a 15-hour watch by her bedside every day.
Her father, now 55, told Reuters Health: "We did not want her to be alone so we have spent every day by her bedside. We take it in turns, my wife does six hours than I take over for about six hours, there is usually someone there constantly between 5 AM and 8 PM."
"We have never given up hope of seeing our beloved daughter again," he said.
"Bryan Adams was always her biggest hero and she loved his music before she fell into a coma," said his wife Adelheid, 53. "When we heard about the concert in Regensburg we knew straight away that we had to take her there."
A local paper paid for the tickets and doctors arranged special help to get Christiane to the concert, her mother said.
During the concert, Christiane started to move in the wheelchair and was fascinated by the music and the singer.
"I will never forget it, I could have hugged the whole world. When we got back to the clinic she was still animated, and three times she called my name, she said Mama."
Head of the clinic Dr. Gerhard Weber, who has worked with Christiane for six years, confirmed that the concert had been a big leap forward for the young woman, but warned there was still a long way to go.
"I think there had been signs that she was starting to respond to the treatment she was getting before the concert and was no longer in a full vegetative state, but the concert certainly represented a big improvement," he told Reuters Health.
"There is a long way to go but I am very happy with the results of our experiment. It was the first time she had been out of the hospital apart from a single brief trip to her home. What she needs now is for the various therapies to continue and a lot of emotional stimulation including more trips home, for example.
"It's wrong to say it is a great miracle what happened here," Weber added. "But we have taken small steps and we are on the way to our goal."
But father Karl-Gunther takes another view: "I have no doubt that it was the concert that marked the turning point. She seemed to come alive when she was there, and clearly called out her mother's name. We now believe she is finally coming home to us."
Patti White Bull awoke after 16 years in a vegetative state. (ABCNEWS.com)
ABCnews.com: Woman Out of ‘Vegetative State’ After 16 Years
Dr. Plum (emeritus) clearly hasn't been keeping up with the latest developments in the understanding of 'vegetative state.'
Dr. Plum and everyone else who thinks these patients are just 'empty shells,' need to read this:
NY Times magazine: What if There Is Something Going On in There? (inside the minds of PVS patients)
The key test is whether someone can track movement with their eyes, which Schiavo does not, Cranford said. "Terri does not have visual tracking. If you look at the videotapes, she's really not looking at her mother. She's really not tracking," Cranford said.
Cranford said that Schiavo could survive another five to 10 years if she continues to receive fluids and nourishment, "but the point is she'll never regain consciousness or improve from her condition."
That would make her in a PVS for between 18 and 23 years. The jury gave a malpractice award based on 17 years not the 50 requested by MS. Looks like the jury heard testimony and believed that Terri was destined not to recover and she would probably die before her time. I was wondering about that odd number of 17 years. Must have something to do with the CScans and rate of brain shrinkage.