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TERRI SCHIAVO MISSING - REMOVED FROM HOSPITAL W/O FAMILY'S CONSENT [Update: She's back at Hospice]
Bay News 9 TV - Florida | 10/22/03 | dandelion

Posted on 10/22/2003 5:16:42 PM PDT by dandelion

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In any email or conversation, be firm but polite in order to best make your point. Consider the person you're addressing -- let them know you are praying for them to do the right thing -- for in the end, this is a spiritual battle. Pray, set your mind, know your efforts are appreciated.

=====================CONTACT info from Ragtime Cowgirl:

As of now, and when medical care was most needed, Michael Schiavo is still making all the decisions.

Terri looks worse today than she did before being moved to the Hospital and back to the hospice.

Please contact others and ask why, during the 5 days BOTH sides have to come up with a guardian, is the side fighting to save Terri not allowed a say in her medical treatment, please!


So what happens when these patients need further care, eg, dialysis that cannot be given there? Then they would be transported to hospital or other facility IF this is what had been requested and agreed upon by the primary care physician AND THE GUARDIAN.

Michael and the physician will not do this. Terri needs to be in a friendly environment in which her condition can be more closely monitored. She desperately needs an advocate.


Hospice contact info. 
 
ProofG@aol.com ~ George Felos
 
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us ~ Judge George Greer
 

Contact these most helpful people, please, and let them know that Michael Schiavo is calling the shots re. Terri, and that she was moved back to the Hospice from the Hospital:

Bob Marshall:           bob.marshall@trincomm.org

Speaker Johnny Byrd:     speakerbyrd@myfloridahouse.com

Sen. Jim Sebesta:             sebesta.jim.web@flsenate.gov

Senator Daniel Webster:  drawdy.ann.so9@flsenate.gov  (Senator Webster’s email is to his aide)

 
Senator Tom Lee:             lee.tom.web@flsenate.gov
~~~
 
jeb@myflorida.com
jeb.bush@myflorida.com
 
 
Good guy media contacts: (cut and paste):
 
me@glennbeck.com,
shogenson@cnsnews.com,
hannity@foxnews.com,
rush@eibnet.com;
foxfeedback@foxnews.com,
 
editor.letters@heraldtribune.com (sarasota herald tribune)
dklement@bradentonherald.com (bradenton herald)
letters@sptimes.com (st. pete times)
tribletters@tampatrib.com (tampa tribune)
 
Please continue  prayers and contacts.
 

95 posted on 10/23/2003 8:35 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

2,121 posted on 10/24/2003 2:55:08 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: ordinaryguy
Under Federal law, I understand, she can't go to Federally funded hospice (Medicare/Medicaid) unless expected to die within 6 months.
2,122 posted on 10/24/2003 3:14:25 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: kenth
It seems in your post 2115 of the law of Florida when there is no living will, the patient picks the health surrogate with regards to making decisions about life pro-longing procedures

Terri's parents signed guardianship over to Schiavo on the Good Faith that he would take care of her, as he told the court he would when he was trying to cash in on the malpractice suit, he said he would take care of Terri and provide rehablilitation wich he has not done.

This case is not that hard to figure out. I'm wondering; as are others, if Terri's parents really have the best legal counsel, or if everyone is working as hard as they claim to be-not trying to be cold/mean, but it is pretty obvious what Mike SCH is up to.

Or the problem could be corruption on a massive scale. In wich case people need to be brought in who have the expertise/resources to deal with it.

It's just strange that Felo's has managed to beat them every time , in spite of some very convincing evidence..I don't know , just thinking out loud -so to speak.

For all the 'RATS who call Jeb and the Fl. Leg's saving of Terri's life "unconstitutional":

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certainUNALIENABLE RIGHTS, among these are............. LIFE
- Declaration of Independence- July 4, 1776

One more time because you 'Rats JUST DON'T GET IT:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, among these are.............. LIFE
-Declaration of Independence- July 4,1776

2,123 posted on 10/24/2003 4:02:59 AM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democratic party. Save the USA-Vote a democrat out of offic)
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To: cyn
Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like trouble is on the way.

ACLU joins husband in Schiavo battle

By Megan O'Matz and Diane Lade
Staff Writers
Posted October 24 2003

The American Civil Liberties Union said Thursday that it will aid
Michael Schiavo in his fight against Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida
Legislature, which earlier this week took the remarkable step of
passing a law to prevent the Pinellas County man from
disconnecting his brain-injured wife from a feeding tube.

For months, the ACLU resisted meddling in the dispute that has
pitted a husband against his in-laws, believing that the courts were
following the long-held legal right of an individual to refuse
extraordinary medical measures, even if it hastens their death.

The intervention of
the governor,
however, altered the
landscape, said
Howard Simon, the
organization's Florida
director. Several
other significant
advocacy groups on
the sidelines, such
as the AARP, say
they, too, are now
looking at the issue.

The entry of the
ACLU and possibly
other influential
players into the
life-and-death drama
playing out in
Tallahassee and the Tampa area underscores the growing
dimensions of the coming court battle over whether the state's top
leaders acted unconstitutionally in sidestepping the courts in the
high-profile right-to-die case.

By substituting his judgment for the judgment of the courts, the
governor "set aside the role of the whole judicial system," Simon
said, warning that a precedent has been set for Bush and legislators
to write laws gutting any court decision they don't like.

Pamela Hennessy, a spokeswoman for the parents of the impaired
woman, Terri Schiavo, said she was "outraged" at the intervention
of the ACLU, the nation's largest defender of individual rights.
Schiavo's parents, Mary and Bob Schindler, are trying to keep their
daughter alive.

"I've been contacting the ACLU since the beginning of my
involvement in this case to have them speak out against what's
going on with Terri," Hennessy said. "It's going on against her will.
She's had her religious freedoms stripped from her. She's had her
civil liberties stripped from her. And they're defending the husband?"

Leaders of theAARP, the huge lobbying group that claims 2.6 million
Floridians age 50 and older as members, are discussing whether to
weigh in on the issue, said state Director Bentley Lipscomb.

The organization remained silent several years ago as the state's
Supreme Court debated whether terminally ill, mentally competent
patients should be allowed to end their lives with their doctor's
assistance.

"Our members tell us that [medical self-determination] is a very
important issue to them," Lipscomb said. "They're telling us they are
very disturbed to think they could sign a living will or do not
resuscitate order and have it overridden by the Legislature."

During a special session, the Legislature briskly passed a law
Tuesday, crafted to apply only to Schiavo, 39, enabling the
governor to order her feeding tube reconnected so that she may
not die. It had been removed on Oct. 15 by court order. In response
to the governor's order, Schiavo began receiving nourishment again
Wednesday at Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater.

Schiavo's parents visited her Thursday in a Pinellas Park hospice
where she was transferred after the tube was reinstated. The family
had been concerned that the days without food and water may
have damaged her kidneys and other organs, but said she appeared
to be doing well.

In a news conference Thursday, Michael Schiavo's attorney, George
Felos, said Terri Schiavo was "generally stable," with good color and
complexion. Her kidneys appeared to be working.

Her husband is committed to continuing the legal fight, taking it to
the state Supreme Court if necessary, Michael Schiavo's other
attorney, Deborah Bushnell said.

"The action of the Legislature and the governor has actually firmed
his resolve. He's upset about what happened," Bushnell said. "It has
raised this situation from one of personal importance to one of
statewide and national importance. If this law is allowed to stand, it
creates an incredible bad precedent. It potentially paralyzes the
judicial system."

Doctors say Terri Schiavo has been in a "persistent vegetative
state" since 1990, when an undetected potassium imbalance
stopped her heart briefly. Her parents, believing there's a chance
she can recover, mounted a fierce legal campaign to keep her alive.
Her husband, seeing no hope, has argued that she would never
want to live in a vegetative condition. The courts have sided with
Michael Schiavo consistently.

His legal team faces a Monday deadline to submit briefs on their
constitutional challenge before the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court.

Meanwhile, some members of the medical profession on Thursday
expressed concern that the Legislature's intervention may cause
doctors to disregard the wishes of dying patients.

"We are afraid of lawyers all the time," said Dr. Lofty L. Basta, a
retired Clearwater cardiologist and founder of Project Grace, a
non-profit group devoted to educating people about end-of-life
planning. "We practice defensive medicine. We do things that we
know are wrong to protect our behinds. So this ruling from the
legislators makes us very leery to carry out any order for dying
patients."

Terri Schiavo's doctor, Victor Gambone, faxed a letter to Morton
Plant Hospital this week, shortly after the passage of what has
become known as Terri's Law, saying he was resigning as her
primary care physician, Bushnell said.

Michael Schiavo's lawyers, about the same time, sent a letter to
area hospitals warning that, although the new law promised shelter
from civil liability, the prospect that the measure is unconstitutional
opened doctors up to a future lawsuit if they dared to reinsert the
feeding tube.

Dr. Juergen Bludau, medical director of Morse Geriatric Center in
West Palm Beach, said the threats of lawsuits could scare away
caring physicians.

"I can understand how doctors would pull back and say: `This is not
what we're here for.'"

Members of the Florida Bar Association's elder law section were
planning an emergency telephone conference within the next few
days to discuss whether they should get involved in the upcoming
constitutional challenge, said section President Stephanie
Schneider.

"We wonder if we'll see a domino effect," said Schneider, a Broward
County elderlaw attorney. "If a party doesn't like what a court does,
they'll say, `Let's just go to the governor's office.' "

Members of End of Life Choices, the pro assisted death group
formerly known as the Hemlock Society, expressed surprise that a
debate has resurfaced over whether vegetative or terminally ill
patients should be tube-fed against their own or families' wishes.
The last landmark Florida cases on the issue were 13 years ago.

"We thought we were done with forced sustenance," said Choices
Chief Executive Officer David Brand. "This opens a whole can of
worms that places people's wishes about their end of life care in
jeopardy."



Orlando Sentinel reporter Sean Mussenden and Sun-Sentinel
researcher Barbara Hijek contributed to this report.

Megan O'Matz can be reached at momatz@sun-sentinel.com or 954-
356-4518.
2,124 posted on 10/24/2003 4:24:56 AM PDT by Snykerz
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To: Snykerz
Opps.. sorry about that. I just saw it on Breaking news. Went straight to my bookmark with-out checking first.
2,125 posted on 10/24/2003 4:33:34 AM PDT by Snykerz
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To: Snykerz
No surprise. The aclu usually bows down at the altar of death, though not death for those who actually do deserve to die.
2,126 posted on 10/24/2003 4:36:39 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Snykerz; floriduh voter; Thinkin' Gal
H'mmm, interesting, seems like pouring water on the stack of wood.
2,127 posted on 10/24/2003 4:39:31 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Snykerz
>>"In a news conference Thursday, Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, said Terri Schiavo was "generally stable," with good color and complexion. Her kidneys appeared to be working."

Awww, poor George. Just the other day he was screaming "how dare they stop the death process, her kidneys were shutting down!" Now after a week of starvation and dehydration TERRI IS STILL FIGHTING. Yes, her parents are correct: she has an incredible will TO LIVE.

Leave her alone, you ghouls!! Give her back to her family and GET LOST!





2,128 posted on 10/24/2003 4:40:16 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: All
btw: it has not been pointed out that judges routinely tell people in court who do not like their rulings to go to the legislature and change the law. Well they did not like the judges ruling and the law was changed.

It is how the system is SUPPOSED to work. The left is just upset over this because the Republican dominated FL legislature moved fast.

No matter how this ends, judges are now on notice that their demeaning advice of telling people to tell the legislature to change the law is a real possibility.
2,129 posted on 10/24/2003 6:48:01 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Graymatter
Graymatter, that was one of the best posts I have read. I agree wholeheartedly. Now, let's find that person.
2,130 posted on 10/24/2003 6:53:35 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Snykerz

"We wonder if we'll see a domino effect," said Schneider, a Broward
County elderlaw attorney. "If a party doesn't like what a court does,
they'll say, `Let's just go to the governor's office.' "


** **** *****

He must not do much guardianship law. When people are dying or refusing treatment (ie cancer) families CAN AND DO go to the courts. Quite comom in situations where the inlaws believe the spouce is killing off their child.

I firmly believe a gag order should be placed on all the parties. (the aclu is just carpet bagging for the PR.)
2,131 posted on 10/24/2003 7:04:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: cyn; kimmie7; floriduh voter; sweetliberty; pc93; lakey; windchime; MHGinTN; dixiegrrl; tessalu; ...
It took me hours to search for new info (no luck), read through the FR posts - muck through the offense of Schiavo, who now has the ACLU on his side (see #2053), and Felos, who the press keeps quoting without telling the world that Felos is a famous right-to-kill advocate who's built a career around exploiting Terri and others he pretends to care about, even appearing on Oprah and writing a book.

The ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) has been following Terri's case, with updates at their website: http://www.aclj.org

Now that the ACLU has joined the enemy, perhaps we can recruit Jay Sekulow for Terri and for life:

ACLJ.org:  Legal Helpline: 1-800-296-4529


Please keep contacting friendly and unfriendly individuals involved in Terri's case. Info at #2121.

 
Craig Waters at the FSC told the press that he's receiving nothing like the number of phone calls he received during election 2000. Let's help him out.
 
 
Craig Waters, (850) 414-7641, s/c 994-7641, watersc@flcourts.org

story:PUB_DESC
'Save Terri' calls are pouring in

DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER

Thousands of people from around the country have been calling and e-mailing state offices in Tallahassee, urging officials to save Terri Schiavo.

And somehow, many of those messages have found their way to Craig Waters.

Waters, the Florida Supreme Court's spokesman, said he's personally taken dozens of calls, including one from a woman from Calgary, Canada, who offered to save the 39-year-old Schiavo, who has been in a Pinellas Park hospice.

"She wanted to take (Schiavo) back to Canada to care for her," Waters said. "I told her I had no authority for that kind of request."

Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 after her heart stopped because of a suspected potassium imbalance. Since then, doctors have kept her alive with food and water tubes. Her parents and other family members have been engaged in a legal struggle with her husband, Michael, who said Terri did not want to be kept alive artificially.

After Michael Schiavo finally won a legal decision to have his wife taken off her feeding tubes, the Legislature on Tuesday approved a special bill giving Gov. Jeb Bush the power to order the feeding tubes reactivated. Terri began receiving liquids intravenously later that day.

"I had one woman, from somewhere out West, cry almost the whole time I was on the phone with her," Waters said. "She was very concerned that, as she put it, this woman's life was being ended against her will."

The Supreme Court, which so far has not addressed the Schiavo case, has received more than 100 calls about it to its various offices, Waters said.

"They're very emotional about the subject," he said.

Bush spokeswoman Alia Faraj said the Governor's Office had gotten 165,411 e-mails about Schiavo since Aug. 27 and "thousands of phone calls." Faraj said the office normally gets about 5,000 e-mails a week on average.

"We don't have the lines to handle that many calls," she said, adding she didn't know the nature of particular messages but that "people are generally in support of saving Schiavo."

Representatives for House Speaker Johnnie Byrd, R-Plant City, and Senate President Jim King, R-Jacksonville, did not know how many calls were received on the Schiavo controversy but said many had expressed their thanks.

Waters recalled a time when phone calls about a controversial issue were even more frequent.

"This is nothing like the 2000 election cases," Waters said. "My phone became unusable. I'd pick it up to make a call and there would already be someone on the line."

Contact reporter James L. Rosica at (850) 599-2304 or jlrosica@tallahassee.com.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/7080018.htm



2,132 posted on 10/24/2003 7:04:48 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (“No one else helped us, only the Americans." ~ Mahmud Al-Jaburi, Iraqi police General, 10/1)
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To: Snykerz

"We wonder if we'll see a domino effect," said Schneider, a Broward
County elderlaw attorney. "If a party doesn't like what a court does,
they'll say, `Let's just go to the governor's office.' "


** **** *****

He must not do much guardianship law. When people are dying or refusing treatment (ie cancer) families CAN AND DO go to the courts. Quite comom in situations where the inlaws believe the spouce is killing off their child.

I firmly believe a gag order should be placed on all the parties. (the aclu is just carpet bagging for the PR.)
2,133 posted on 10/24/2003 7:05:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; pollywog; honeygrl; nickcarraway; Ethan_Allen; katnip; floriduh voter; ...
Video of Terri that is more impressive for her life than against it, and surprise! video of Christine Busalacchi is here.

I have long wanted to see what Christine looked like as her case was very painful for me personally to read about...she was a young very disturbed girl who lost her mother at age 4 and became an angry teenager, according to what I have read.

Note that her father states openly that his decision was based on what he would have wanted in the same situation, not on what he felt Christine would have wanted. It is so easy for these "family" members to make decisions of death for others, isn't it?

2,134 posted on 10/24/2003 7:23:35 AM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; pollywog; honeygrl; nickcarraway; Ethan_Allen; katnip; floriduh voter; ...
Video of Terri that is more impressive for her life than against it, and surprise! video of Christine Busalacchi is here.

I have long wanted to see what Christine looked like as her case was very painful for me personally to read about...she was a young very disturbed girl who lost her mother at age 4 and became an angry teenager, according to what I have read.

Note that her father states openly that his decision was based on what he would have wanted in the same situation, not on what he felt Christine would have wanted. It is so easy for these "family" members to make decisions of death for others, isn't it?

2,135 posted on 10/24/2003 7:25:26 AM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: ordinaryguy
I later posted to the effect that it's was possible these 2 were not connected. Perhaps you didn't read that far.
2,136 posted on 10/24/2003 7:28:31 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: MarMema
Just emailed Glen Beck the affidavit of Carla Iyers, A nurse who tended to Terri way back when, and the article from World Net Daily where a member of the American College of Physicians and Surgeons weighs in on Terri-calling her treatment totally wrongful....nothing more than state sponsored euthanasia. The article is powerful.

Terri's family and lawyer need to know that professionals are weighing in on the flip side of the hateful ACLU. The doctor-Dr Orient- who is quoted in the article is tremendous. Dr. Orient has the entire situation NAILED DOWN! My puter is slower than molasses today-so forgive any double posts!

2,137 posted on 10/24/2003 7:33:44 AM PDT by Republic
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To: fly_so_free
I agree with you about the Schindler's attorney. I know nothing about her. She seems to be dedicated, but from seeing her on a couple of interviews, including Greta just last night, it seems that a more outspoken attorney is needed. She only made one comment, about Felos' "death process" comment. She made it in a snide referral to Felos' spin of his attempts to kill Terri. However, it didn't come across as sarcastic. Her tone almost made it sound as if that is what she calls it. Maybe she's just tired, which is entirely understandable. Whatever the reason, some extra, firm legal help is needed.

As for the law, I would pursue a couple of things. I would pursue Mikey's availability and competence of being Terri's surrogate due to his adulterous relationship, especially considering this is a crime under Florida law.

Since that would hinge on a DA and judge's discretion, I would then pursue the Constitutionality of the laws regarding guardianship with the lack of a living will. The law as written is contradictory to the section that states that nothing in the chapter on living wills should be considered to authorize euthanasia. This coincides with the Constitution. Allowing food and water to be considered life-support and allowing one to kill another with no clear evidence of the person wanting that could be used as the basis for the Constitutional argument.

2,138 posted on 10/24/2003 8:18:23 AM PDT by kenth (This is not your father's tagline.)
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To: AmericaUnited
The writings/sayings of Felos needs a separate, well written, vanity thread that all could reference. This then needs to be sent to all media outlets, to expose who this demon possessed, jim Jones nutcase is. I would do it but don't have the book.

I would love for there to be one, am trying to convince some "christians" on another forum and it's kind of hard to search all these threads for the facts. They're there it's just so time consuming.

2,139 posted on 10/24/2003 8:20:28 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: dixiegrrl; All
I sent them an e-mail yesterday. AARP responded with they haven't taken a stand. I would copy and paste but I can't open edit when my aol mail on for some reason. All you "friends of Terri" that are members, let them here from you. I'm going to e-mail them back and tell them that if they do decide to come out and join the ACLU, I will cancel.
2,140 posted on 10/24/2003 8:31:58 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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