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1 posted on 10/22/2003 2:55:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Within hours of the state legislature's historic passage of a measure, known as Terri's Bill, which empowered the governor to take executive action in the matter, Bush ordered the feeding tube reinserted last night.

Actually, within minutes he issued the EO. It took hours to implement it because that bastard Mikey's lawyer spewed intimidation everywhere.

2 posted on 10/22/2003 2:58:26 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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3 posted on 10/22/2003 3:00:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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As long as her husband controls, she's in danger. He and his medical and legal allies intend to kill her one way or another.
4 posted on 10/22/2003 3:04:09 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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This is a good one, Nick, and it is important to hear from my co-workers about the cruelty of death by dehydration. The right to kill movement has tried hard to re-create this death as a peaceful and good one.

"without first undertaking rehabilitation therapy to ascertain her ability to swallow and digest nourishment" constitutes "depriving her of life without due process of law,"

About the above, though, I take issue. Not good enough, I say! Doesn't matter if rehab is or is not successful, and they should be saying this. It remains a cruel death and is still killing of the disabled.

5 posted on 10/22/2003 3:05:26 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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A physicians' group has added its voice to the din of reaction to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's intervention in the case of Terri Schindler-Schiavo, the brain-disabled woman whose life-sustaining feeding tube was removed last week at the request of Terri's husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo.

Schiavo, who maintains his wife is in a persistent vegetative state and would want to be allowed to die with dignity, has been locked in a 13-year legal battle with Terri's parents and siblings who argue Terri is alert, wants to live and, given appropriate therapy, can be rehabilitated. Terri left no written directive.

No wonder people are so misinformed on this case if this is all the background info we get on MS from this article! You'd think there would be a couple more details that would explain some of the acrimony between him and the parents...

6 posted on 10/22/2003 3:07:31 PM PDT by pgyanke (Pray for Terri and read www.terrisfight.org)
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"She is not dependent on advanced medical interventions. Nothing is mechanically pumping her blood, or forcing oxygen into her lungs. She is simply being fed through a gastrostomy tube."

And I don't see how a feeding tube is such a big deal. They can be dealt with at home relatively easily. My Cousin-in-law had two babies fed by tube at home until they were about three. And she had 5 other children the same age. She managed it.

7 posted on 10/22/2003 3:07:57 PM PDT by stands2reason ("What you see at fight club is a generation of men raised by women." -- Chuck Palahniuk)
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I am certain I cannot live in a Nation that is willing to do this to a person.

I predict ernormous repercussions if the STATE allows a gaurdian the right to choose who lives and dies.
8 posted on 10/22/2003 3:15:33 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Michael Schiavo - Living proof of how low liberals go for cash in order to avoid work.)
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But Dr. Jane Orient with the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, or AAPS, claims the opposite is true: "Dehydration is a cruel, painful death."

Very true...my dad, who suffered from a Parkinson's-like disease called PSP, made the conscious decision to die this way 2 years ago after his body rejected the feeding tube and the doctors said IV feeding would only prolong his death a few weeks at best. They kept him on pain medication to keep him from suffering, but it 10 days of pure agony for him and the whole family. I still have not recovered from the trauma of watching him die in that manner, we could not give him any food or water, we could only swab his mouth with a special solution. I normally stay away from these threads because I cannot bear to relive it, this just breaks my heart.

"It is unconscionable that the state ordered removal of her feeding tube in the first place – it's nothing less than state-sponsored euthanasia," maintains Orient. "She is not dependent on advanced medical interventions. Nothing is mechanically pumping her blood, or forcing oxygen into her lungs. She is simply being fed through a gastrostomy tube."

Thank goodness, someone with some brains actually speaks up...this is exactly what I told my hubby last night about this situation. A feeding tube is NOT life support, it is merely sustenance.

9 posted on 10/22/2003 3:18:30 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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Schiavo, who maintains his wife is in a persistent vegetative state and would want to be allowed to die with dignity,

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The only thing I see here that is a persistent vegetative state is Schiavo's conscience.

10 posted on 10/22/2003 3:21:47 PM PDT by RLK
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AAPS, a non-partisan, professional association of physicians...put out a warning to colleagues: "The ethical question for her nurses and physicians is whether they will cooperate in carrying out a death warrant.

"And the ethical question for all of us is whether we will allow the state to obstruct the efforts of people who want to provide medical care to a patient who wants to receive it," said Orient. "If we go down that path, who's to say what treatment the state will prevent you from getting?"

I could not agree more with the AAPS statement. I am someone who could be persuaded that euthanasia might be the kindest and most humane thing to do in some cases, given strict laws and monitoring. But what was happening in the Schiavo case prior to Jeb Bush stepping in was nothing short of state-sponsored murder. The method of withholding food and water is also a gutless, cowardly way to perform euthanasia. We are more humane to murderous thugs who get the death penalty, for heaven's sake!

14 posted on 10/22/2003 3:34:31 PM PDT by Wolfstar (NO SECURITY = NO ECONOMY)
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AAPS Doctors: Schindler-Schiavo is Not a 'Death with Dignity' Issue

10/22/03 1:58:00 PM

WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) issued this statement from Jane M. Orient, M.D., in response to the emergency action of the Florida legislature to reinstate feeding and hydration of Terri Schindler-Schiavo:

"Terri Schindler-Schiavo has won a temporary stay from execution by a method too cruel to be used for convicted criminals. And yet her husband's attorney is trying to spin it into a 'death with dignity issue' with his comments on Tuesday.

"He says it's cruel to begin rehydration. The opposite is true -- dehydration is a cruel, painful death. It is unconscionable that the state ordered removal of her feeding tube in the first place -- it's nothing less than state-sponsored euthanasia.

"She is not dependent on advanced medical interventions. Nothing is mechanically pumping her blood, or forcing oxygen into her lungs. She is simply being fed through a gastrostomy tube. Would we allow a retarded child to be starved to death?

"Some physicians believe that Terri could be rehabilitated to some extent, at least so that she could swallow oral feedings and eliminate the need for the tube. She should be allowed to try, but so far her husband has blocked every attempt to see whether she can swallow. Doctors have offered pro bono treatment, if money is the barrier for her husband.

"Although severely disabled, some believe that she does have the capacity to communicate a desire to live. The husband has obstructed efforts at rehabilitation or independent assessments of his wife's true state.

"Where are the 'compassionate end-of-life' groups such as the Robert Wood Johnson 'Last Acts' initiative, and why aren't they weighing in on this?

"The ethical question for her nurses and physicians is whether they will cooperate in carrying out a death warrant.

"And the ethical question for all of us is whether we will allow the state to obstruct the efforts of people who want to provide medical care to a patient who wants to receive it.

"If we go down that path, who's to say what treatment the state will prevent you from getting?"

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=125-10222003

18 posted on 10/22/2003 3:42:16 PM PDT by Gelato
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They have tougher laws in FL for starving a dog than they do for starving a person to death!!!! Absolutely despicable!!

avianrescue.org/abuse_laws

Florida Cruelty to Animals Statutes

FLORIDA STATUTES
TITLE XLVI. CRIMES
CHAPTER 828. ANIMALS: CRUELTY; SALES; ANIMAL ENTERPRISE PROTECTION

828.12. Cruelty to animals

(1) A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

(2) A person who intentionally commits an act to any animal which results in the cruel death, or excessive or repeated infliction of unnecessary pain or suffering, or causes the same to be done, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

19 posted on 10/22/2003 3:57:47 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
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THE OATH OF HIPPOCRATES

(translated from the Greek)

(excerpted for posting purposes)

"I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgement.

"I will keep the sick from harm and INJUSTICE.

"Whatever house I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional INJUSTICE and all mischief.

"In purity and holiness, I will guard my life and my art.

"If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy my life and my art, being honored with fame among men for all time to come.

"If I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot".

Of course, many physicians and surgeons now use the "Modern Hippocrates Oath" which is a mealy-mouthed, washed-down version making a lot of sound and fury, and signifying little.

Leni

20 posted on 10/22/2003 4:10:03 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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"The citizens of Florida should be alarmed by what is happening. What is happening here is a gross and illegal intrusion into the private liberty of citizens. ... This is not the former Soviet Bloc where you don't have the liberty to control your own body."

You're right, George. The citizens should be alarmed by what's happening. You're grossly and illegally intruding into Terri's liberty to live. This isn't supposed to be like the Societ Bloc where you didn't have the liberty to keep alive your own body.

26 posted on 10/22/2003 4:32:26 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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If anyone would like to contact George J. Felos, his office address is: 595 Main Street, Dundee, FL and his business phone number is 727-736-1402.
29 posted on 10/22/2003 4:48:47 PM PDT by morgan22
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Does anybody know what this Michael Schiavo does for a living anyway? Felos is something else, too. R.I.P. and the Grim Reaper themselves.
34 posted on 10/22/2003 5:04:50 PM PDT by sisterjforteri
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Felos called the eleventh-hour law and Bush's subsequent intervention "absurdly unconstitutional" and maintains Terri has a right under the Florida Constitution to not be kept alive artificially

Ok...since when is food fed by tube , keeping alive artifically??

Let me get this straight!!!!

Child is born paralyzed.Cannot feed herself. Mother has to feed her. She is fed, " artifically" since she is not doing it herself.All those who cannot feed themselves must die eventually?? ......nuts!!! Also they have NOT ATTEMPTED to TRY and feed her or teach her to eat.GRrrrrrrrrrrrr getting mad again here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

37 posted on 10/22/2003 5:13:37 PM PDT by pollywog ((Please keep following Terri. Press Releases at terrisfight.org))
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Bump for life
46 posted on 10/22/2003 10:55:47 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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Prayers for Terri
50 posted on 10/23/2003 2:54:07 AM PDT by Dajjal
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"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me --
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
~~Pastor Martin Niemoller
(victim of the Nazis)

Is there anything we can learn from this?
When they came for the Catholics?
When they came for the Baptists?
When they came for the fundamentalists?
When they came for the agnostics?
When they came for the physically disabled?
When they came for the mentally disabled?

Just something for all of us to think about -- is this picture larger than we currently see it?


52 posted on 10/23/2003 7:10:09 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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