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Lawyer: Terri still in danger
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | October 22, 2003, 5:15 p.m. Eastern | By Sarah Foster

Posted on 10/22/2003 2:50:08 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Family barred from visiting brain-disabled woman, judge drags feet on appointment of new guardian

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Posted: October 22, 2003

5:15 p.m. Eastern

ven though Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and state legislature yesterday halted the court-ordered starvation death of brain-disabled Terri Schindler-Schiavo, her family and legal counsel are afraid her life will be increasingly at risk as long as the courts allow her husband to remain her guardian and do not appoint a guardian ad litem as demanded by the special legislation that was passed.

"My greatest fear is that Michael [Schiavo] will order Terri out of the hospital before she is medically stabilized and rehydrated – as he did three times last August when she had pneumonia," said Patricia Anderson, attorney for Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler.

"That is why we need a guardian ad litem," she added. "That is what Terri's Bill is about. We've got to have a guardian ad litem to put a stop to that kind of hijinks, because his primary objective is to kill her."

Schiavo very nearly succeeded in his five-year quest to end his wife's life by court-approved starvation. With only a few hours remaining before she slipped beyond the point where she could be saved, Florida lawmakers yesterday delivered to the governor legislation empowering him to order Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted, and Bush signed the life-saving law as well as an implementing executive order.

"Terri's Bill" specifically directs the chief judge (David Demers) of the 6th Judicial Circuit Court to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent Terri "upon issuance of a stay," but he has not yet done so – which Anderson views as a matter of urgency.

"Terri will be out of danger only when Michael is no longer her guardian and no longer has access to her," she said bluntly.

Crowds of demonstrators cheered wildly, as Terri was transferred by ambulance from Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., to Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater, about 25 miles away, where upon her feeding tube was reinserted and rehydration begun after her six days ordeal of judge-ordered starvation.

Family locked out

No sooner was his wife admitted to Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater, Fla., than Schiavo sent an order barring Terri's parents and siblings from visiting her.

The Schindlers were not informed of Schiavo's action, and only learned of it late that evening from Terri's brother, who had driven to the hospital to visit his sister and was escorted from the premises by an armed security guard. Bobby Schindler, 38, told WorldNetDaily he was told by the administrator on duty that Schiavo had left instructions that "no family members, no anybody is to visit Terri," and that they were to be given no information about her medical condition.

Schindler was too exhausted by worry over the fate of his sister and the events of the past seven days to express anger. But he said he's not surprised by this recent action by Schiavo.

"Michael's been doing this kind of thing for almost as long as he's been guardian of my sister," he exclaimed. "It's been going on for over a decade and it continues. Even after the governor stepped in and did what he did today, [Schiavo] continues to use his power as a weapon against our family and Terri."

It's one of many times her husband has ordered Terri isolated from family and those close to her. In mid-August, he barred a Roman Catholic priest from visiting her at Morton Plant Hospital where she was taken due to a sudden medical crisis.

Schiavo said his action that time was prompted by a late-evening visit by Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, a former Army chaplain, who had been asked by Terri's father to drop by the hospital to see how she was faring.

Even though the monsignor was on a court-approved list of visitors and regularly visited her at the hospice where she has been a patient for three years, Schiavo had a long-standing policy that no one could visit Terri unaccompanied either by himself or family member and that Malanowski had knowingly violated his order.

Schiavo's attorney Deborah Bushnell told WorldNetDaily that her client was concerned about Malanowski's "integrity" and felt the 81-year-old priest was not "the kind of person that he wanted visiting Terri or that he felt comfortable visiting Terri." Eventually he relented slightly and the monsignor was allowed to resume his visits subject to week-to-week approval by Schiavo.

Last Wednesday, the day Terri's feeding tube was removed, Schiavo's attorneys ordered family members barred from being alone with Terri at the hospice following Robert Schindler's release to the media of a videotape distributed in evidence that the woman is not in a "persistent vegetative state," as Schiavo's advocates claim.

Schindler admitted the tape was made surreptitiously in violation of a court order by probate Judge George Greer of the Pinellas-County Circuit Court. The video, which shows Terri alert and laughing and trying to speak, further indicates attempts at rehabilitative therapy, also banned by the courts.

Following the video's release, her family was told they were barred from visiting the dying woman "unless [Schiavo] or his representative is present."

In at least one instance, the "representative" that accompanied Robert and Mary Schindler to the bedside of their daughter was none other than the mother of Schiavo's mistress, Jodi Centonze, with whom he has been living for a number of years. He and Centonze have a 1-year-old daughter and are expecting a second child.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the Schindlers had been fighting their son-in-law for 10 years over the lack of care and therapy Schiavo as her guardian provided for their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under mysterious circumstances at the age of 26.

The ongoing dispute escalated five years ago when Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to end his wife's life by removing her feeding tube, insisting she is in a "persistent vegetative state" and had told him years before she would not want to be maintained "by tubes" and "artificial means." Although Terri breathes on her on and maintains her own blood pressure, she requires a simple tube into her abdomen to her stomach for nourishment and hydration.

The Schindlers fought tenaciously to keep their daughter and the case alive in the courts, but they have been basically blocked at every turn, in particular by Greer, who has had charge of the case almost from the beginning. When the seven-member Florida Supreme Court in August turned down a petition to review the case, the way was clear for Schiavo to starve his wife to death.

On Sept. 17, Greer scheduled Oct. 15 as the day Terri's feeding tube would be removed. At the same time, in separate rulings, he denied any rehabilitation for the disabled woman or a chance to be spoon-fed.

Information on Terri's fight for life is posted on the family's website.


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To: supercat
This is an achilles' heel for any situation involving a finding of facts. If the lower court says a black fact is a white fact, not even the Supreme Court of the USA can overturn that. A document beats "she said" even though neither one is utterly bulletproof.
141 posted on 10/22/2003 5:20:52 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: aristeides
" If this law is unconstitutional for some reason, what constitutional provision did it violate?"

Apparently the Florida Constitution provides for the right to death, bondage and pursuit of misery rather than the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

What a wretched and cruel barbarian Michael Schiavo is!

143 posted on 10/22/2003 5:24:11 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: FreedomMan_CA
That's not health and welfare, that's killing.
144 posted on 10/22/2003 5:24:30 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: FreedomMan_CA
Sorry, but the fact that my legal guardian may stand to gain from my demise does not make my legal guardians wishes subject to being overruled by a Governor.

A guardian is required to act in a ward's best interests. In any situation where there is reason to believe a guardian's interests might possibly conflict with that of the ward, a guardian ad litem is to be appointed. Such a person is allowed to raise objections or motions on a ward's behalf.

The governor's intervention here is a result of Judge Greer's declaring that there was no possible conflict of interest in Michael's handling of Terri's trust fund or other affairs.

Fact is, you Schindler supporters have no legal ground to stand on when it comes to overruling her legal guardian, no matter how much you demonize him or play amateur psychology with his motivations might be.

That would be the job of a guardian ad litem.

This case took a frightening turn when it started to become obvious that the fact a certain religious segment of society doesn't like the way a legal guardian is acting became justification for intervention by the legislature and governor.

One legislator who wrote the so-called "right to die" law stated that it was never intended to apply to anyone with a non-terminal condition. That the law has been abused in such fashion is a good reason to step in and stop such abuse.

Further, a simple examination of Michael's statements will reveal that he is a pathological liar. As such, I think it very reasonable to question his motives, even though Judge Greer is willing to overlook them.

Eventually, of course, Michael will win, because however much you believe them, the fallacious accusations of abuse and the hysterical demonizations carry absolutely no legal weight.

The big question IMHO will be whether a guardian ad litem insist upon doing a few things that should have been done ages ago. I have a suspicion that an audit of Terri's trust find might show some discrepancies which would provide more than ample motive for murder.

145 posted on 10/22/2003 5:27:24 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: ambrose
Here is a clue for you, if you stop comming to these threads and stiring up the bee hive, you won't have a swarm.

You don't want to take that advice? Then sit down and ....... be very quiet, or enjoy the swarm. Makes no difference to me either way, but your infantile crying about it is getting old hat.

I don't go to threads where people are talking about things I don't care about or want to hear about.. Why? Oh common sense ambrose. Just a bit of common sense.

146 posted on 10/22/2003 5:27:31 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
So you've reviewed all the tapes and transcripts of every hearing that Greer had, along with all the documents? AND the stuff that was reviewed by the other judges? Wow! Such diligence. That must be a full time job for you. BTW, since you've reviewed all that material, you've got umpteen copies of that statute laying around, and should have it down by heart now.

Unless, of course, you're lying and didn't review it.

LOL, you wouldn't know the law or the Constitution if it bit you on your libertine ass. You're an internet punk who occupies the left side of the bell curve as well as the left side of the political spectrum.

I gave you an opportunity for considered debate but you didn't have the balls to engage. No surpirse there, it's who and what you are.

147 posted on 10/22/2003 5:28:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"So you've reviewed all the tapes and transcripts of every hearing that Greer had, along with all the documents? AND the stuff that was reviewed by the other judges?"

I went over quite a bit. A great deal of this case rested on the docs testimony. I saw the video and audio tapes today. The docs didn't just misdiagnose, they lied. They perjured themselves for the record and Judge Greer played a part in that.

Terri is conscious and aware. She can sign her own papers.

148 posted on 10/22/2003 5:28:49 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: The Red Zone
A document beats "she said" even though neither one is utterly bulletproof.

Suppose Terri had left a notarized "want-to-live" document with her parents, but Schiavo claimed that she had told him she changed her mind. If Greer found such testimony constuted "clear and compelling" evidence that she wanted to die, would any appeals court be able to change that?

149 posted on 10/22/2003 5:29:04 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Catspaw
I would hope you're not buying into the liberal puke "hate" syndrome being sold by Palpatine.
150 posted on 10/22/2003 5:30:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: spunkets
Terri is conscious and aware. She can sign her own papers.

Are you being hyperbolic? None of the video I saw showed that level of motor skill.

151 posted on 10/22/2003 5:30:43 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Michael's civil rights???? WTF are you talking about? First off, the whole case is built on hearsay, and if not, an implied oral contract that is at best vague and not corroborated by her family. Why only tell her husband? What if she and her husband were in an accident and he was killed and she was left in this state? Since she told no one else but her husband supposedly, then her family would prolong her life until a cure was found or she could be rehabilitated.

Her husband is really trying to kill her off so he can marry this other woman, else it would be bigamy. He can't divorce her since she can't defend herself in a lawsuit as far as I can tell.

152 posted on 10/22/2003 5:31:37 PM PDT by Tuxedo (In Stereo Where Available)
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To: Catspaw
She just asked a question. Sheesh, lighten up.
153 posted on 10/22/2003 5:31:44 PM PDT by MagnoliaMS
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To: supercat
In Florida such a tragedy would be possible. Another matter would be the loss of the document or of later revisions. I don't know how that could be addressed; someone has to be trusted somehow when one is unable to communicate. In the meantime, maybe carrying around a "want to live" document in one's wallet (on fireproof media) would be in order.
154 posted on 10/22/2003 5:32:11 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: FreedomMan_CA
Edited videos? Gossamer evidence?
Why do you refuse to consider ANY fact from MS as untrue?
Even if you only took one fact and analyzed it, the suspicions are real.
And there is the court documentation that is public to view, MS's testimony, the lies in it.
Literally THOUSANDS of people of all walks of life analyzing the data and agreeing on the conclusions?
Do you not acknowledge the possibility of any judge, because of his beliefs or agenda , making questionable decisions? Craftily created in order to stop any appeals.
Or the possibility that maybe the family has had poor legal advice, not wanting to believe that any humans could be so depraved, or that justice could be anything but fair and true to it's ideals and purpose?
Do you believe that only one person's word alone should be the accepted method for "pulling the plug"? Especially since that person's word did not appear untile 8 years AFTER the disability began?
155 posted on 10/22/2003 5:32:23 PM PDT by oreolady (have you checked your living will lately?)
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To: All
TERRI SCHIAVO MISSING - REMOVED FROM HOSPITAL WITHOUT FAMILY'S CONSENT.
156 posted on 10/22/2003 5:35:44 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: The Red Zone
Here's your freebie. Bottom of the 1st, Jeter failed to run to 1st when he thought it was a pop-up. Easy double play.

SECTION 3. Branches of government.--The powers of the state government shall be divided into legislative, executive and judicial branches. No person belonging to one branch shall exercise any powers appertaining to either of the other branches unless expressly provided herein.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm? Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes#A02S03

discuss among yourself.

157 posted on 10/22/2003 5:37:08 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Tuxedo
He can't divorce her since she can't defend herself in a lawsuit as far as I can tell.

I was looking through some other Florida statutes, and IIRC he could have sought and been granted an automatic divorce any time after IIRC 3 years from her incapacitation.

158 posted on 10/22/2003 5:37:47 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: The Red Zone
In the meantime, maybe carrying around a "want to live" document in one's wallet (on fireproof media) would be in order.

What good would that do? Abuser would just destroy it. Tattoo might be a little better I guess, but as I said if abuser claims the victim "changed her mind" and a judge buys it, the victim is hosed.

159 posted on 10/22/2003 5:39:45 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: najida
And (from what I gather) when she collapsed, he wasn't doing CPR

Not only not doing CPR, he hadn't even called 911! He called her parents first.

The brother, in an interview, said he went over there immediately (lived in same apartment complex). He said he found her stretched out on the floor, with both hands holding her neck.

BTW, Michael didn't become an RT, as far as I know, until after Terri's collapse. At the malpractice trial, he said he wanted to become an RT so that he could take care of Terri for the rest of her life. Course, nine monthes after he won the settlement, he then began claiming "she wouldn't want to live like this".

160 posted on 10/22/2003 5:40:45 PM PDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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