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Anti-missile system to use blimp 25 times larger than Goodyear's
world Tribune | Oct. 22

Posted on 10/22/2003 9:47:49 AM PDT by meandog

Anti-missile system to use blimp 25 times larger than Goodyear's

The United States has been developing what could become a new concept in destroying enemy ballistic missiles in their boost phase.

The concept calls for stationing a huge blimp out of enemy aircraft or missile range that would detect preparations for and launch of any enemy ballistic missile. The blimp would then relay the information to fighter jets that would shoot down the enemy launcher or missile.

The project has been sponsored by the Defense Department's Missile Defense Agency. The agency has awarded Lockheed Martin a $40 million design and risk reduction contract to advance a project to develop and demonstrate a prototype of a high-altitude airship that could remain in the air for one month.

Lockheed Martin executives said the airship would be 500 feet long, 160 feet in diameter and have a volume of 5.2 million cubic feet. This would be about 25 times larger than the blimps seen at athletic events. "We share the Missile Defense Agency's vision for the high altitude airship and the many roles it can serve over our domestic borders and distant theaters of operation," said Al Barber, vice president at Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors.

"Its long time on station and ability to carry different payloads will provide multi-mission capabilities not possible with other assets. When launched, the HAA will commence a new era in flight."

The project calls for the demonstration of the airship in 2006. The first phase of the project involves drafting a concept of an airship that can remain afloat for one month at an altitude of 65,000 feet. The facility would have a payload of two tons and provide 10 kilowatts of power.

Israel and the United States have been experimenting with BPI concepts since 1996. Israel had envisioned a network of unmanned air vehicles that could remain in the sky for several days at a time to monitor enemy ballistic missile activities.

But the Lockheed Martin project calls for one facility that would remain stationary. The airship would also have autonomous flight control capabilities.

In another development, two U.S. contractors have conveyed a proposal to the Pentagon to upgrade the E-8C aircraft into a system that would rapidly detect a missile launch as well as estimate its point of impact.

Northrop Grumman and Textron Systems drafted the proposal. Under the proposal, Textron would mount its Theater Airborne Warning System on the J-STARS [Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System] aircraft.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antimissilesystem; blimp; defensecontractors; jstars; miltech; sdi
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...excuse the negative wedge, but this seems like a "pie-in-the-sky" approach to SDI. I believed the military was dedicated to a more reasonable approach of stationing a new generation ABM Navy destroyer (DDX) of the coast of a hostile country to the same effect. More than three-quarters of the world is ocean, thereby putting virtually every square mile of earth in range of ship borne anti-ballistic missiles. And a blimp is too suspectable to weather; a ship isn't. Boondoggle for Lockheed!
1 posted on 10/22/2003 9:47:51 AM PDT by meandog
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Lockheed seems to always be susceptible to biggest and mostest like projects. In the eighties they were calling for a "Motherplane" that could carry 25 fighter jets. Needless to say, this Spruce Goose never got off the ground.
2 posted on 10/22/2003 9:51:48 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: meandog
Is there much weather at 64000 ft?
3 posted on 10/22/2003 9:51:58 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: meandog
It already exists. It was seen over Phoenix a while back and called a "UFO".
4 posted on 10/22/2003 9:54:04 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Carbonsteel
No, but one has to get there.
5 posted on 10/22/2003 9:56:05 AM PDT by jjm2111
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...can Muttly have a 500 foot long, 160 feet in diameter, 5.2 million cubic foot long Blimp too ?

Pleeease ?!!...


Hey...there's Pie in the Sky TOO ?!!

Muttly WANT !!!!!!

That's why he needs the Blimp ! What if the Pie's too big for his little Dirigible?!
6 posted on 10/22/2003 9:57:29 AM PDT by PoorMuttly (A Muttly Bribed is a Muttly Earned)
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At 65,000 feet, weather is no problem at all. Besides, a blimp of this magnitute will be able to withstand anything except perhaps an F10 Tornado or continental-size hurricane.

It's much faster and easier to navigate by air than sea - since by air, especially at 65,000 feet, there are no limits. This idea is far superior to building destroyers
7 posted on 10/22/2003 10:02:56 AM PDT by Norse
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To: meandog
It would weigh less if they used hydrogen instead of helium.
They could call it a Zeppelin.
8 posted on 10/22/2003 10:03:53 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, chretien, and putin = stalin wannabes)
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To: Norse
I got a 20 minute ride in the Goodyear Blimp back in 1968, shortly after my return from overseas. It was a kick in the butt. Much differant than anything else I've ever ridden in.
9 posted on 10/22/2003 10:07:24 AM PDT by stumpy
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...excuse the negative wedge, but this seems like a "pie-in-the-sky" approach to SDI.

No apology needed. The idea is farce. I was in air defense and ideas like this were as common as donuts at a police station. The combination I like the best is submarines and satellites. We have them. They work. We need to integrate them into a global air defense system.

A "Blimp", 500 feet long, 160 feet in diameter..

What are those people smoking?

10 posted on 10/22/2003 10:16:25 AM PDT by elbucko
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11 posted on 10/22/2003 10:19:58 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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Anti-missile system to use blimp 25 times larger than Goodyear's

Well, I nominate Ted Kennedy. He's of the right size, and is full of hot air.

12 posted on 10/22/2003 10:27:10 AM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: meandog
Already extensively covered in The Journal of Electronic Defense (www.jedonline.com). See Jan, May, and Oct 2003 issues.

Also check www.navlog.org.

13 posted on 10/22/2003 10:34:28 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Carbonsteel
nope. I get to 51k sometimes...clear and a million!
14 posted on 10/22/2003 10:36:13 AM PDT by JETDRVR
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To: meandog
The blimp isn't suceptible to weather at 100,000 feet.
15 posted on 10/22/2003 10:49:39 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: meandog
yep - thats about 25 times bigger


16 posted on 10/22/2003 10:51:43 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
see my post
17 posted on 10/22/2003 10:52:28 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: meandog; jjm2111; StolarStorm; PoorMuttly; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; elbucko
When I first read this post, my reaction was scepticism, as has been the reaction of those I address. The only smart thing I saw in it was "Textron would mount its Theater Airborne Warning System on the J-STARS [Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System] aircraft." That seemed practical.

On second thought I began to see the possiblities. This is a theater system, not strategic, first. It is a trip wire system, that is, flying outside of the target's airspace, so attacking it would be an act of war. It is designed to be "autonomous", that is, unmanned if desired, and is part force projection, part reconnaisance, and part "we are watching you". Obviously the blimp would be fairly easy to shoot down, flying at 65,000 feet, an obvious problem. So I ran a few numbers.

At 13 miles above sea level the blimp radar would "see" objects 2 miles above sea level at a range of 323 miles. The blimp would stay on station, likely using GPS, but could be moved at will. A mach 6 missle takes about 6 minutes to go 323 miles and could be watched for nearly the full time of flight. A light weight CIWS equivalent unguided rocket system plus something like Phoenix with a small nuclear warhead would give really quite good protection. A frigate with Standard missles would be a pretty good back up.

Imagine the possibilities. Three hundred miles off of North Korea, watching every move, every second. Wouldn't that jack Kim Il Jung's jaws?? hey?? How about the coast of China? The Taiwan Strait?

Nowadays, everybody knows the exact time every satellite passes over, and put all their action under a shed roof during the satellite passover. Satellites work super for naval recon, but not so hot for land recon unless backed up by aircraft - including this blimp!! Weird, sure, but looking more cool every minute!!

18 posted on 10/22/2003 10:52:55 AM PDT by Iris7 (Victory, always Victory, at any cost, though the beasts of Hell march against us!!!!!)
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What will this do that a satellite couldn't? Cheaper perhaps? Free up satellite resources?
19 posted on 10/22/2003 10:55:22 AM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: meandog
System in search of a mission...
20 posted on 10/22/2003 10:55:56 AM PDT by bruin66 (Free Martha!)
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