Brain-Damaged Fla. Woman Recieving [sic] Fluids

Associated Press ^ | 10-21-03

[Brian S]

Brain-Damaged Fla. Woman in Right-To-Die Dispute Receiving Fluids Again, Acting on Gov. Bush's Order

The Associated Press

CLEARWATER, Fla. Oct. 21 — Acting on orders from Gov. Jeb Bush, a hospital began rehydrating a brain-damaged woman Tuesday six days after her feeding tube was removed in one of the nation's longest and most bitter right-to-die battles.

Terri Schiavo was receiving the fluids after the Legislature rushed to pass a bill designed to save her life, according to her parents' lawyer. Schiavo's parents have fought to keep her alive. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, says she would rather die.

An ambulance earlier took Schiavo from a Pinellas Park hospice to Morton Plant Hospital after Bush issue an order to resume feeding her. A crowd cheered outside as she left.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

I won't waste my time trying to explain constitutional law...

Oh, but by all means, please explain away. We "rejects" anxiously await the bounty that you have to offer. Let's have more substance and less platitude, maestro. Your turn, if you have anything substantial to offer (which I sincerely doubt).

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

PS: Please also regale us all with more of your emotional tirade. We "non-intellectuals" are always curious about how your emotional arguments trump intellectual arguments (at least, in your small minds).

[supercat]

How often do you hear of a young woman like that just falling over suddenly? Having a heart attack?

It does happen. My wife got a fatal blood clot in her lung at age 27. Confirmed by autopsy (requested by coroner because sudden non-traumatic death at that age is not normal even though it happens).

[isthisnickcool]

That's awful. My sympathies.

[sport]

If death is so good, why don't you volunteer to try it?

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

cerebral cortex: the "gray matter" of the brain; the center of conscious evaluation, planning,. skill, speech, and other higher mental activities.

PSS: Thanks for the Bio 98 regurgitation. I knew nothing of this, and I had no idea that you were such a formidable intellect. BTW, as a curiousity, if you were on a hospital bed and observed your body there (as a great many have), who, pray tell, was doing the "observing"?

Hint: This is a deep philosophical question. Someone of your obviously limited intellectual power is free from answering if your wish.

[sonsofliberty2000]

http://www.patriot-paradox.com/

Proposal to Streamline and Make Our Death Rows in Prisons

More Efficient at a Better Cost to TaxPayers
This proposal is to implement a better and more cost effective way to put a prisoner to death. To this point most states have used the following. Beside each I will put the reasons why each method is not cost-effective, or ethical reasons why they are unable to be used:

1. Death by hanging – said to be cruel and unusual

2. Electrocution – electricity is a commodity that in this day and age needs to be limited. The environment takes a toll when one uses electricity to put a person to death.

3. Lethal Injection – this requires a doctor, easily wasting money

My proposal is simple. Starvation of a prisoner on death row is not only ethical (re: Schiavo case) it is also cost efficient. Past cases have shown this to be neither cruel or unusual, and the process has went through courts with little mass media coverage, or public outcry, except from pro-life demonstrators who will argue against the alternative forms of death row procedures as well. Each year we spend over $22,000 per inmate to house, clothe and feed them. One that is on death row must also have burial cost picked up, and starvation would easily pay for these expenses when the alternative methods are also not implemented, thus saving money. If we look at a cost of $10 dollars on average for a prisoner and an average time till death of about 7 to 15 days, depending on the person we can see this method will easily save up to $150 dollars per prisoner. This will skyrocket when seen with reductions from not spending more on other procedures to be done. Of course if we also dehydrate the prisoner it would speed up the process, allowing the person to die in 3 to 4 days, a much more humane way of putting the person to death.

One may argue that this would cause severe trauma to the person, but one must also remember that the person being put to death is guilty in a court of law and has brought this on themselves. Can you name one person who the courts have ordered to die that did not deserve such? Such an argument is irrational, and unproductive in this case.

To successfully implement this the following conditions would have to be met:

1. No visitors. The visitors might give food to the prisoner and only prolong the ordeal, at higher costs to taxpayers.

2.No media coverage of the death. This will only give room for critics to talk.

In conclusion, this would easily save the prison system over a million dollars a year, if implemented correctly. Florida is leading the way in this new death row process and I would suggest sending observers to speed up implementing this in your state.

[Theodore R.]

Bob Dole was one of the few politicians who complained publicly about the AP. At least ol' Bob got that right.

[supercat]

Don't be silly. I was responding to the suggestion that her husband wants to kill her so he can collect the million dollars. My point is that there is no million dollars any more.

Over the next few days, Terri's guardian ad litem will likely be performing an audit of Terri's trust fund. If any of this money has been used to buy anything which is not appropriate for Terri's care (e.g. a diamond ring for Sweetie Pie), that would establish criminal motive for wanting Terri dead. Criminal motive plus attempting to cause someone's death: attempted murder.

I'd say avoiding an attempted murder charge (or even an embezzlement charge) would be a plausible motive for wanting to kill someone, wouldn't you?

[onyx]

Thank God for Bob Dole and thanks for the info.

[GeekDejure]

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BULL BUTTER!??????

Hmmm . . . Does that come from a BOVOSEXUAL thingy ???

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[buzzsaw6]

Perhaps Gov. Bush acted out of concern for Terri and not because "the people were giving him no choice". He did what his legal team told him he could do legally. Calling a special session of the legislature was no easy or cheap fix. The detractors of Gov. Bush should be ashamed at their oh-so-quick condemnation of his actions. You all owe him a sincere apology.

[CindyDawg]

Be patient. It will get done, six days from now.:')

[anglian]

CNN POLL Should Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have ordered a comatose woman to be kept alive?

Yes 29% 6365 votes

No 71% 15288 votes
http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/6720.html

[jocon307]

"The detractors of Gov. Bush ....owe him a sincere apology."

Well I don't owe Bush an apology, because I was not trying to bash him. Although his inaction did make me nervous for a few days.

I was not trying to say he lacked conviction, I was trying to make the point that the pressure brought from the public was very important here. And yes, I was happily surprised at how strong the votes in the legislature were.

As someone else said, the Florida judiciary needs some looking into. I'd like to know how the (first?) GAL's recommendations were rejected. What is the point of appointing a GAL if you are not going to consider their input.

[White Mountain]

Your #114: CNN POLL Should Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have ordered a comatose woman to be kept alive?

This shows how the phrasing of the question affects the poll result.

The word "comatose" and the phrase "ordered a comatose woman" (how absurd!), together with the continual repetition in the media of such phrases as "vegetative state", makes the results rather predictable.

Let's reword the question. It is a little long, but we must have clarity:

Should Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have ordered the sentence of death by dehydration and starvation to be stayed for a woman who is handicapped, disabled, responds to her mother's affection, and follows objects with her eyes, and thus is obviously not in a persistent vegetative state?

[supercat]

Should Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have ordered the sentence of death by dehydration and starvation to be stayed for a woman who is handicapped, disabled, responds to her mother's affection, and follows objects with her eyes, and thus is obviously not in a persistent vegetative state?

And whose death could be the only way to cover up potential criminal malfeasance by her husband?

[AFPhys]

No matter what else, I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that the USSC will hear this case no matter what the SCOFLA decides. That will be it. Pray that whenever they get the case, they decide correctly (for once).

[Flux Capacitor]

"Watch the video. If your social agenda causes you to root for this girl's death, there's something horribly wrong with you and your agenda."

Is it online? Can someone link to it?

-Dan

[FITZ]

I think everyone involved expected Terri to die within a few days.

I think so. They greatly underestimated her strong will to survive.