UFO still puzzles 30 years later (Coyne Incident)

Mansfield Journal ^ | 10/18/2003 | Russ Kent

[SteveH]

MANSFIELD -- Thirty years ago tonight, strange things were happening in the skies over north central Ohio.

A close encounter in Mansfield, that has since become known as "The Coyne Incident," is still raising eyebrows among believers and UFO investigators.

[Quix]

I personally would not be so eager to meet the critters. I personally think MOST of them are in cahoots with satan and his demonic forces.

I believe they will end up colluding with the globalists perhaps even on both ends of the spectrum.

It appears to me that the globalists have got it all set up that the ET's can be played as the ultimate enemies or the ultimate saviors--either one or both requiring a global governmental tyranny to 'save the world.'

I don't think Reagan was just farting the several times he publicly alluded to such.

The telepathic aspect has been written about extensively. Many sighters have THOUGHT something like--please move to my right. Now to my left. Now up. Now down etc. and sometimes very large craft have instantly complied in a kind of gamey way.

Thanks for your report. I admire your pluck.

[RadioAstronomer]

I personally saw something in the night sky around 1965 that even with all my training, education, and experience I still cannot explain. I am not saying it was a UFO, I just cannot find any known penomena for what I saw.

[Quix]

Quite a brother to have fed you such a wonderful line. Very funny. Probably true. Clearly not the whole truth.

Otherwise, your knowledge of the NDE's as well as abductions and the research questions regarding abductions

would indicate that you are the one lacking in . . . several areas

particularly lacking in . . . . accurate perspective.

But, I have no delusions about breaking through fossilized thinking and crania. Enjoy your tidy little world while you can. It will be seriously shaken before too many months or years.

[Gunrunner2]

I've been following this thread and find the subject interesting, but about as polarizing as can be. Now, I am neither a "believer" nor "non-believer," just someone that finds the subject interesting to consider.

Like most career pilots I observed something strange while airborne, something I can't explain. It was, by definition, an "UNIDENTIFIED" Flying Object (UFO). Now, does this mean I am a true believer in the classic UFO, one that immediately accepts that if something is observed that it is real? No. Does observing something odd make me immediately think it came from "out there?" No. What is does mean is I saw something I can't explain. No biggie.

For a hobby I serve occasionally as Operations Director and Master of Ceremonies for conferences. For two years I'd been associated a Remote Viewing conference. Now, RV is interesting because the US government ran a RV program for about 20-yrs. Attendees of the conference are into RV, but because of the nature of the subject, those with an interest in RV usually have an interest in other associated phenomena--to include UFO's.

Of the 300 or so attendees each year, I divide them up into three groups.

First group are the "true believers." These are the people that are passionate and believe with their heart and soul that whatever their area of interest they BELIEVE, no matter the assertion, no matter the proof, no matter the contradictions. They are also the evangelicals of that world. ("The truth, can't you see it!")

Second group are the anti-believers. While they are few in number at conferences like this, they are there as part of their hobby of de-bunking. This group do not even accept the possibility that something, somehow, may be valid regarding the phenomenon. ("This is all bunk, can't you see that!.")

These two groups will tolerate no dissention.

Of the first two groups, I must say that over the course of the conferences they would individually come up to me and while pointing at a group somewhere whisper in my ear and say, "You see those people over there. They are nuts, ignore them, but I know the truth. . .and the truth is. . ."

The third group are what I consider the "protocol people." PP are of disciplined mind, attempting to apply some sort of scientific/logical standard to investigating phenomenon. I find these people to be the most reasonable to talk with.

I have researched the subject and read many of the books listed in this thread, as one must be able to speak the language, as it were, when running conferences associated with this subject. I can assure you, some are highly suspect in their credibility and some are downright fictional when they write---and know it. Writers want to sell books and writers on the subject of phenomenon (UFO's, RV, whatever) know what sells to their niche audience.

Just my thoughts and observations.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

more than they would trust me when I had never demonstrated any reason to not be trusted.

If you saw an UFO then you demonstrated a reason to not be trusted.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Good point XJarhead. A UFO is an unidentified flying object, when it crashes it is simply an crashed aircraft of unknown origin. Doesn't make it alien and even if it was, it shouldn't change the rules for inspecting and reporting the crash. Unless it was a top secret aircraft, which most UFO's probably are.

If someone sees a weather ballon and cannot identify it, then it is an UFO, and still a weather ballon, not an alien spacecraft.

[Cvengr]

FWIW, the 'Chemtrails' (not contrails and discernible from them) were very active for nearly 2 years over much of the US through the deployment of US forces overseas. Once overseas when military activity in the US was stable, they tended to cease. They popped back up coincidentally whenever major phases or operational changes occurred overseas and upon the return of forces back to the US as though they were being tracked perhaps via Open Skies Treaty surveillance.

The most plausible theories I've found so far are that they are associated with either a communications method at senior command level for DOD, a biological WMD innoculation system, or something associated with Open Skies.

FWIW, when they were first observed, even senior flag rank officers in the USAF and seasoned pilots and doctors responsible for flight physiology treated the topic seriously and considered the 'Chemtrails' as a very real phenomenon discernible from condensation trails and a bit mysterious. Some simply considered that perhaps they didn't have a need to know to avoid the awkward consequences.

[Mulder]

ignorance and bravado are GREAT weapons against advanced technology including superior brain and muscle neural controls.

Only a fool would use "ignorance and bravado" on a space turd when plenty of 00 buckshot is available.

I wonder if the anal probes are more uhhhh vigorous when they find someone with guns and fierce thoughts of using them.

So these space goblins aren't just invincible, mind-controllers, and unable to be reasoned with. But they're gay, invincible, mind-controllers, and unable to be reasoned with? Somehow I'm not buying it.

I simply refuse to believe that any species that obsessed with the anus can last for more than one or two generations, let alone develop the capability to traverse the universe at light speed.

[Jim Cane]

If you saw an UFO then you demonstrated a reason to not be trusted.

I guess you didn't vote for Ronald Reagan then since he claimed to have seen a UFO.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

I should have said an Exterrestial Vehicle. UFO's can be a weather ballon.

[Jim Cane]

UFO's can be a weather ballon.[sic]

Yes, and what else might they be?

[XJarhead]

I see nothing in the Air Force's inclusion of that chapter suggesting that the Air Force knows that ET's have visited our planet. If anything, it seems more skeptical than believing. Nor does the removal of the text suggest anything more than someone realizing it was a waste of valuable and limited teaching time.

But, I have no delusions about breaking through fossilized thinking and crania. Enjoy your tidy little world while you can. It will be seriously shaken before too many months or years.

Uh, haven't ET's supposedly been visiting this planet for tens of thousands of years? Other than your personal political beliefs, what evidence is there that they are suddenly planning something major in the coming months/years? Oh, and you never responded to my repeated inquiry as to why all the various U.S. governments (and presumably other governments as well) would consistently lie about ET despite numerous changes in the composition and political bent of those governments.

I personally would not be so eager to meet the critters. I personally think MOST of them are in cahoots with satan and his demonic forces. I believe they will end up colluding with the globalists perhaps even on both ends of the spectrum. It appears to me that the globalists have got it all set up that the ET's can be played as the ultimate enemies or the ultimate saviors--either one or both requiring a global governmental tyranny to 'save the world.'

Alrighty then. On that note, I finally realize why this discussion is pointless. Never mind.

[johnny7]

***FLASH!*** LONG, CYLINDRICAL PROBE SPOTTED NEAR URANUS!

[Junior]

Bump.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Top secret aircraft maybe, but nothing out of this world.

[Jim Cane]

Top secret aircraft maybe, but nothing out of this world.

You can say that again. You just can't say what they are not and be correct at the same time. Sorry. Thanks for playing though.

[Brett66]

I saw something bizarre when I was 8 years old. It was within 200 ft. of me so I was able to see detailed physical properties of it. It even had a periscope device that was observing the neighborhood at house top level around 3AM in the morning. It saw me and sped away so fast it effectively vanished.

Darn it! Even when I recount this, I find it unbelievable hearing my own account. It sounds straight out of a b-movie. But I saw it and have absolutely no proof of what I saw. I've went back and re-evaluated in my memory what I saw after I gained knowledge in physics,electronics and aerospace technology. I think it only deepened the mystery of what I saw. The periscope device makes no sense, it was a direct optical device. You could see the ambient glow on the inside of the ship through it, something moved in front of the lense inside the ship and I could see maybe the occcupants eye? I find my own account unbelievable, but I saw it. The technology makes no sense, why would these things need a crude WWII optical device for observations? If it was one of ours, it would've been a sophisticated multi-spectral CCD device with lenses and such. It seems like whatever these things are, they have cruder electronics technology than us, yet their propulsion and power technology is far beyond our capability. The flight characteristics are consistent with the physics of what Paul Hill described. (silent hovering, ionized glow around it, incredible acceleration)

What I saw is too bizarre for most people to accept, I even have trouble believing it myself. Even if I had photos of it, I wouldn't convince too many skeptics. Oh well, I know what I saw, can't prove any of it, and will puzzle over this the rest of my life.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

They are not from out of this world. There, I said what they are not, and I am right. The Wacko's are really hot on this one and you appear to be one of them.

[Jim Cane]

They are not from out of this world. There, I said what they are not, and I am right. The Wacko's are really hot on this one and you appear to be one of them.

LOL! Your fear is amusing and your arrogance, predictable. I'm done with you.

[NorseWood]

bump for filing and reading later