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UFO still puzzles 30 years later (Coyne Incident)
Mansfield Journal ^ | 10/18/2003 | Russ Kent

Posted on 10/21/2003 3:02:06 AM PDT by SteveH

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:39:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MANSFIELD -- Thirty years ago tonight, strange things were happening in the skies over north central Ohio.

A close encounter in Mansfield, that has since become known as "The Coyne Incident," is still raising eyebrows among believers and UFO investigators.


(Excerpt) Read more at mansfieldnewsjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: coyne; et; extraterrestrial; flyingsaucer; helicopter; ohio; puzzle; puzzles; ufo
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To: Poohbah
Yup. The scary thing is, we have trusted idiots with reporting what goes on in the world...

*sigh*
141 posted on 10/21/2003 2:37:48 PM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Quix
You are simply wrong, on this score. If and when I have the time, I'll try and track it down for you. The laws are clearly regarding UFO's.

Well, I'm a lawyer, and I know when law smoke is being blown up my...keister. And I don't accuse you personally of that. I think that people start repeating things, in good faith, that aren't quite accurate, and that the correct meaning eventually gets lost after enough repetitions. But just think about that logically, for a second. Is it lawful to take something away from a "regular" plane crash? I doubt it. So why would you even need a law directed specifically against UFO's? All you do is say "it is unlawful to remove, touch, or relocate in any manner any debris, component, or material from any aircraft of any kind (as defined in ......) without first obtaining authorization from the FAA (or whomever)." That's the way laws are written. And that's just the type of law that a law person might characterize as barring taking evidence of a UFO crash.

Actually, as I recall, there was a text book at the AIR FORCE ACADEMY WHICH HAD A CHAPTER ON UFO'S and how to report them etc. I think it was all even unclassified until it became better known.

Same thing. It's loose definitions again. I went to the Naval Academy, but I know the type of report to which you're referring. It would be a general report for any aircraft, not just a UFO. At least in terms of UFO's as being extraterrestrial. And there wouldn't be a whole chapter on it.

Of course you are taught some stuff relating to reporting certain things. But its not nearly as specific as you imagine, nor would it make sense if it were. What kind of stuff would you report about any object you saw? Size, rate of travel, direction of travel, altitude, color, lighting, etc. I can't imagine why it would be different for a MIG-25 than for a "UFO", because you don't know its a UFO at the time you see it.

Now, if you mean "UFO" only in the sense of "I didn't know what it was when I saw it", well, what's so nefarious and conspiratorial about that? I have no doubt there there is a report on which you can report some characteristics about something you saw that you couldn't identify. And there should be, for some pretty mundane reasons. Why is the fact that such reporting may (or may not) be taught at USAFA have the slightest relevancy to a conspiracy to conceal the existence of extraterrestrials?

I was taught in the Marines how to analyze the crater from incoming artillery rounds. You may not know what caliber the round was that landed, but you fill out the form with other info that some folks may use to determine that. Is the fact that I was taught how to report "Unidentified craters" suggested of some nefarious cover up?

142 posted on 10/21/2003 3:06:38 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
i UNDERSTAND your reservations

and appreciate your charity.

Will ping you if I make time to look for it and find it.
143 posted on 10/21/2003 3:37:53 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Steve Hall
YOU MAY find the following unusual journal entry from Whitley of interest. Used by permission to post a latest journal entry some time ago . . . "you must include a link to the original on our website, as well as say it comes from www.unknowncountry.com and it's copyrighted by Whitley Strieber."

I find Whitley's journal entry below very candid and believable. I'm glad to see his growth in awareness along these lines. There are also several other items on his current UNKNOWN COUNTRY home page which you might find interesting. There is also a link to a recent fascinating video of a UFO in Ohio, I think it is.




Copyright by Whitley Strieber

and available at this link:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/

HERE'S THE JOURNAL ARTICLE BY WHITLEY:




A Personal Breakthrough: A Huge Question Answered
16-Oct-2003
Ever since I realized that something strange had happened to me on December 26, 1985, I have held the question open of what that might have been. In Communion, I was careful to preserve this question throughout the book, and I have always stayed loyal to this question, no matter how much pressure I have been under to resolve it in one way or another.

However, I have also always believed that it is essential not to cling to questions after they have been answered, and this one has been answered. I know what happened to me on that night, and I know, if not who did it, then certainly who did not. I also know that the United States government is actively engaged in a process of debunking the truth about the situation, and the ‘why’ of that.

It has taken me nearly twenty years to reach these conclusions. Oddly, the change in my position has not been a slow process but a relatively quick one. Let me tell you how it came about.

In 1989, I was in anguish. I knew that something truly extraordinary was happening to me, and also that our degenerate culture was laughing it off with rectal probe jokes. I am a very private man, and on a personal, sexual level very conservative, and I found this not only humiliating but depressing. It was depressing to see that the amazingly rich and complex experience that I was having was being rejected. But I also knew that there was no historical record of anything similar. I had made a very special sort of a breakthrough that could have been a rich source of new scientific knowledge, but it was being treated as a joke.

In those days, radio and television shows, eager to be as cruel to me as possible for the entertainment of their audiences, used to try to obtain copies of my second hypnosis tape. They wanted to get a laugh out of a man describing how he had felt while being raped.

I would sometimes send them copies, if they were especially vicious in their threats of how they would treat me on the air if I didn’t, but I would remove from the copies everything about the ‘rectal probe.’

Then I stopped altogether even taking calls from the media. I confined my media appearances to book tours only. But then, as I was publishing Confirmation, Parade Magazine suddenly published a false article stating that I had admitted that I had temporal lobe epilepsy and had become a celebrity supporter of the Epilepsy Foundation.

This was completely false, literally made up out of whole cloth, and I was able to force Parade to print a retraction as prominent as the original article. The editor confidentially told me that the source of the story had been Parade’s publisher. I soon discovered that he was a prominent U.S. Air Force personality, a general in the reserves, and an Air Force loyalist.

I have always believed that this story was concocted as part of a debunking effort being carried out by the Air Force. Also as part of this effort, the U.S. intimidated agents, film studios and television outlets into not doing anything with Communion, even though it was a tremendous bestseller and would obviously make a highly successful movie. As a result, no studio would touch the book, and the film was made independently on a tiny budget and was hardly distributed at all.

Finally, I quit writing about my experiences so that I wouldn’t have to go on book tours. Art Bell took me in like a orphan in a storm, giving me a frequent voice as a guest on Coast-to- Coast AM, and eventually giving me Dreamland. So I still had an ability to tell people what I was doing, but without exposing myself to the humiliation, willful ignorance and rabid lying of the general media.

Long before the publication of Confirmation, I had become unable to listen to the second hypnosis tape. In fact, I lost it. All I had were a couple of copies of the edited version. The last time I listened to the whole tape was in late 1986, to transcribe it for Communion. I all but sweated blood during that process.

Until about two weeks ago, I thought that the tape was gone forever. Then I had the experience that I described in my last journal entry, “The Capture House.” The tape reappeared. It showed up in the drawer of my bedside table. I am too careful to claim outright that it hadn’t been there all along, because I cannot prove that, but frankly, I have looked in that drawer hundreds of times in the years it has been beside my bed, and I never saw the tape.

A few days after I found the tape, I received an e-mail from a reader of this website that proved to be of tremendous, even epochal, importance in my life. The reader theorized that I had been the victim of something called electroejaculation. This involves the insertion of a probe into the rectum, and the application of an electrical current that stimulates muscles to erect the penis and cause an ejaculation. It is used in animal husbandry and in sex clinics.

I had never heard of such a thing, but a little research quickly revealed that the machines exist and have been around for years. In listening to the tape again, it became obvious that I was describing being electroejaculated. First, I describe the insertion of the probe into my body. A moment later, I express surprise that I have suddenly gotten an erection, then react as I am aware of my ejaculation. I remember one of the creatures who were doing this to me running off with it in a little container.

The innocent confusion on that tape is eloquent. I was being subjected, back in December of 1986, to a clinical procedure that I did not even known existed until October of 2003. My description of what was happening to me is an exact description of the procedure.

To me, this has closed the door on any possibility that what happened to me that night was in any way imaginary or illusory. It was a real event, and I do not believe that it was done by people in disguise, but by nonhuman creatures of unknown origin. The reason that I am so firm about this second part is that I believe not only my own eyes, but the testimony of hundreds of thousands of people, and most especially, the recent British Columbia abduction case of “Cynthia,” which is the best documented case of this kind in history.

Cynthia was not alone when she entered the initial phase of the encounter. She was with another witness who shared her perceptions and her experience, exactly as people do in normal life. Not only that, both women suffered physical after- effects, and the other witness experienced a mysterious burn above her coccyx that was severe enough to require medical attention. In addition, researcher Brian Vike has identified witnesses who observed unusual lights in the sky in the area where Cynthia and the other witness were having their encounter, at the time that it was taking place.

Even if I did not have thousands of other abduction cases to point to, I would have to be very thick-headed indeed to continue to entertain the idea that there was anything imaginary or false about this. It is real experience. It involves abduction by creatures that do not walk the streets here on earth, and it is concerned with the taking of tissue and/or sexual material from the victims.

Not only that, the United States government is engaged in a ferocious coverup of this activity. I say ferocious because I believe that a lot of the debunking that goes on is carefully designed by professional sociologists. What was done to me in Parade Magazine showed sophistication and skill, and did immense damage to me. If I could ever obtain proof, I would certainly sue the United States, although I have no doubt that they would claim that it had been done legally, in the name of national security.

And they would be quite right to make this claim. The Air Force doesn’t have a vendetta against me. It is evidently charged with controlling public acceptance of the UFO phenomenon, and is simply carrying out orders.

But why? Why not warn us that somebody might enter our bedrooms in the night and steal our most precious contents from us? Why not attempt to protect us instead of seek to make it easier for them to do this?

The conclusion is inescapable that the government is making sure that the public remains passive and thus vulnerable. The U.S. government is proactively assisting the creatures that are attacking us. If there was general public knowledge, people would take steps to protect themselves. Ways and means could and would be found. If this was not true, if we were indeed helpless, then there would be no reason for the secrecy. The creatures would simply come and do their will in an open and obvious way and that would be that.

Government secrecy is a weapon. It is being used against us. When the Air Force debunks and lies about UFOs and close encounters, it is attacking the American people with a powerful and brutal weapon. When the CIA lies and says it knows nothing about this, it is striking a blow against the country it is supposed to serve.

They aren’t doing this out of hatred of the American people or the people of the world. They are doing it out of fear that, if they don’t do it, we will suffer even worse consequences.

What might they be? What danger would be great enough to turn a government against its own people—indeed, its own species and its world? My uncle, Col. E. M. Strieber, told me that he was aware of the arrival of materials from the Roswell crash at Wright Field in the summer of 1947. He also told me that he’d understood that the secrecy initially came from concern that they might represent a new type of Soviet craft, but later that there was a threat, if the secret of the presence of these intruders was not kept, to destroy the earth in an instant.

General Arthur Exon, who was for many years my uncle’s commanding officer, told me that he had been a member for the Air Force of a committee that studied this situation for many years, and indeed, as late as 1988, was still attending meetings at Wright-Patterson. He said that his belief was that the secrecy was for a more positive reason, which was that we would be culturally destroyed if we were exposed to much higher visitor knowledge, much as primitive civilizations have been destroyed on earth when exposed to scientifically advanced cultures.

As I have written in these columns before, I also believe that there is another possible reason for the secrecy, which is that official admission of the reality of the visitors might be a sort of trigger that enables them to come swarming into our world—to actually make our world part of theirs.

Certainly, in dealing with an unknown as toxic as this one is on so many different levels, any government would be extremely cautious. If it found that it had to give up a little of the dignity of a few of its people, and perhaps a few lives, in return for not causing the collapse of civilization or worse, the total destruction of the planet, then there is no question that it would decide to sacrifice the lives.

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you where the truth about these various dangers lies. I can only tell you this: the visitors are entirely real and they are here taking sexual material and tissues from human beings. I am sorry that it has taken me so many years to feel that I can make this statement unequivocally, but I am not given to asserting things that I don’t think I can back up. I can back this up. The evidence is sufficient.

In addition, the U.S. government is actively covering up the activities of whoever is doing this, denying that they exist and seeking to destroy the reputations and credibility of anybody who makes an efficient effort to convince the public otherwise. I think that the operation that was carried out against me in the pages of Parade magazine is sufficient evidence of this. But that is really such a small part of the overall picture, it hardly even qualifies as an iceberg tip. The evidence of coverup and official lying is literally vast. It has been addressed elsewhere by many others, and, except insofar as it concerns my own personal experience of it, is not the subject of this journal entry.

So, what is to be done? Should people continue to press for official disclosure, even suspecting that the consequences could be extremely dire?

This is a powerful and important question, but it is one that I am not yet prepared to answer. I do not have enough evidence, but I do have some building ideas that I intend to work on. Chief among them is a need, that strikes me as quite urgent, to understand what the motives of our visitors might be. Why are they taking this material from us?

If we make that our next key question, then I think that we will also, inevitably, gain knowledge of whether or not the coverup is a valid means of protecting mankind, or another lie in a tissue of lies that is designed not to protect us, but to make us vulnerable to somebody who needs us a good deal more than we need them.

Subscribers to Unknowncountry.com can listen to my second hypnosis session in the subscriber section of this website. It can also be stolen from there and spread widely, and passwords to this section can be given away, as is being done, in order to reduce our income from the website and thus our ability to keep it going.

But, if you do this, please reflect on the importance of what you are doing. You are helping the visitors and the government to accomplish a task they must very much want to accomplish, which is to see my voice silenced. Do you really want to help the rapists of mankind?

In my next journal entry, I will get into the question of why they don’t simply kill people like me and Budd Hopkins and the others who are presenting credible and believable evidence to the public. We are oppressed by the masters of the lie and their minions, no doubt of it, but there is good out there, too, as we shall see, and it comes from a very surprising direction.
144 posted on 10/21/2003 4:16:00 PM PDT by Quix
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To: All
PING
145 posted on 10/21/2003 4:22:23 PM PDT by Quix
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To: SteveH
A purported

NOAA satellite photo of a huge mothership may be seen at:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/noaa.html

146 posted on 10/21/2003 4:29:32 PM PDT by Quix
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To: SteveH
YOU MAY

also find the following article of interest by a purported close advisor of The President . . .

I don't know what to think of Boylan

And I've not heard of:

Dr. Michael Wolf has since 1979 served as consultant to the President and the National Security Council on extraterrestrial matters

But the article below is available at:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/insider.html




OFFICIAL WITHIN UFO SECRECY MANAGEMENT GROUP
REVEALS INSIDER SECRETS
By Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D., 1997


Dr. Michael Wolf has since 1979 served as consultant to the President and the National Security Council on extraterrestrial matters, and a member of the Majestic Twelve (MJ-12), UFO-secrecy management agency's, Special Studies Group, and has been leader of its lead agency, the Alphacom Team. Previously he has served as an Air Force Colonel, pilot, flight surgeon and counter-intelligence officer for the CIA and NSA. He has an M.D. in Neurology, a Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics and a D.Sc. in Computer Science. He is not a lightweight. Now dying of untreatable cancer, Dr. Wolf has decided to reveal what he has learned about the visiting extraterrestrial cultures to the world, "because we have a right to know." His book, "The Catchers of Heaven" (1996) makes many well-informed revelations. [ISBN#: 0-8059-3907-5; available from Mandala Books, (888)497-2085.]
Dr. Wolf states that the most important mission objective of his Alphacom Team is resumption of negotiations with the visiting extraterrestrials. In the 1950s, the U.S. administration entered into treaty terms with the so-called Grey extraterrestrials from the fourth planet of the star system Zeta Reticuli, but these treaties were never ratified as Constitutionally required. The Greys shared certain of their technological advances with military/intelligence scientists, apparently often while prisoner "guests" within secure underground military installations in Nevada (Area 51) and New Mexico (Dulce Labs). The extraterrestrials have given the U.S. government some of their antigravity craft and a huge amount of fuel (Element 115). On May 1, 1975 during one such technology exchange in Nevada, a demonstration of a small ET antimatter reactor, the lead Grey asked the Colonel in charge of the Delta Forces guarding the ETs to remove all their rifles and bullets from the room, (so that they would not accidentally discharge during the energy emissions.) The guards refused, and in the ensuing commotion a guard opened fire on the Greys. One alien, two scientists and 41 military personnel were killed. One guard was left alive to attest that the ETs apparently used directed mental energy in self-defense to kill the other attacking Delta Forces. Dr. Wolf states that "this incident ended certain exchanges with (the Greys)."

Military/intelligence scientists learned cloning techniques from the extraterrestrials. After perfecting cloning techniques on animals, Dr. Wolf and his associates cloned an artificial-intelligence human being, "J-Type Omega", as part of Project SENTINEL, an effort to create a superbright, superpowerful soldier who would follow orders without fear or question. The J-Type clone was terminated, because he would not follow an order to kill an innocent dog, because Dr. Wolf had surreptitiously programmed ethics into his artificial intelligence.

Wolf notes that the extraterrestrials are not comfortable with the world money and power brokers' need for continuing world industrialization, which they see as headed towards planet-killing. Another of the Alphacom Team's missions is to determine "whether we can use the ETs' technology to restore this planet to its former pristine state of natural balance." The ETs are also concerned about the massive proliferation of nuclear devices into many countries.

Wolf states that other missions of the MJ12SSG's Alphacom Team are: to determine the number and types of ET visitors, the extent of visitation and the reasons, to learn about human interactions with extraterrestrials in the past and currently, the cultures of the various off world visitors, and how we can negotiate with them.

According to Dr. Wolf, several confederations of extraterrestrial civilizations are visiting us in loosely-coordinated fashion. These are: the Alliance (of human-looking ETs from the Altair Aquila system), the Corporate (of Greys from the Zeta Reticuli system), the Federation of Worlds (of unspecified races from many star systems), and the United Races of Orion (cultures from those star systems). Further, the Alliance is in affiliation with the Corporate and with the Federation of Worlds. The United Races of Orion are in affiliation with the Corporate, and, through them, with the Alliance and the Federation of Worlds.

Dr. Wolf told of learning during a high-level briefing in the UK that the Vatican had been applying pressure concerning the possible announcement by President Clinton of UFO visitation. Of specific Vatican concern was "whether he will make reference to the extraterrestrial biological entities' data revealing in detail how religion was created and why." Wolf comments, "Rich organized religions feel threatened by such an announcement."

Perhaps Wolf's most startling revelation is that within the UFO Cover-Up there is a dark, covert renegade organization known as the "Cabal". He describes it as "well-orchestrated conspiratorial bevy of plotters... top-heavy with the military, and headed by (a Navy Under-Secretary)." The paranoiac Cabal works against, and deliberately undermines, the goals of peaceful negotiations with the extraterrestrial visitors. The Cabal uses Star Wars weapons to shoot down extraterrestrial spacecraft and overcome the ETS by military might.

Dr. Wolf concludes by stating, "In all of my preparation as a scientist, nothing ever prepared me for our visitors. We must understand the complexity of the various forces at work on this planet, and yes, on others. Let us not forget multi-dimensionality and space-time distortions, and the spirituality we must regain. I feel I must also mention that spirituality is gaining strength on this planet, this Sol Three. But also is the evil. We have the power to sanction whatever is... for a better good for mankind."
147 posted on 10/21/2003 4:39:40 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: Quix
The MJ-12 documents are a long-discredited forgery.
148 posted on 10/21/2003 4:41:19 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
Have been backwards and forwards on those documents.

I don't know what the truth is. I'm skeptical you do.

They are not central to my convictions. They are an interesting sociological phenomena.
149 posted on 10/21/2003 4:42:30 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: XJarhead; All
Here's some interesting documentation on the AIR FORCE TEXT on UFO's:

Available at:

http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/to-be-merged/usaf.chapter.info

THE MORE INTERESTING PARTS ARE THE LAST 1/4TH




In the past month, there has been some discussion of a chapter about UFO's from a US Air Force Academy Training manual. According to a file "usaf.textbook.chapter" in the Rutgers ftp site, the name of the book is

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II - DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
Edited by:
Major Donald G. Carpenter
Co-Editor:
Lt. Colonel Edward R. Therkelson
CHAPTER XIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

Robert K. Rouse (rouse@netcom.com) confirmed this in a posting to paranet on 1 Feb 1994. The title he had for the work was

AIR FORCE CADET MANUAL
PHYSICS 370
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY
INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE

One fly in ointment was that the Rutgers file contained such comments as

Subject: INFO:CHAPTER XIII - UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
Keywords: USAF Chapter in Training Textbook, long since censored.

This is considered a *classic* among various UFO text files.

Read and make up your own mind :-)

and also
...
NOTE: Although obviously well written and comphrensive in its treatment of the UFO phenomenon, it is the opinion of ParaNet Pi that this reputed U.S.A.F. Chapter is in fact a cleverly planted hoax, and did not appear in any Air Force Training Manual as claimed. However, we do not have any hard proof to support this assessment of its authenticity.

-Tom Mickus 04/24/88

In addition, you have John Lear making comments like this (from a Feb 14, 1988 8:00 PM EST three hour conference on CompuServe with John Lear and several others; I think the file is in the Rutgers ftp site):

(DB) John, have you actually seen the chapter in the USAF acad. text book that dealt with alien beings, etc. (now removed from the text).

Do you know how long the book was used in that form?

(John Lear) I have not seen the book, but Phil Klass admitted to me
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that it was there. No I do not know how long it was there but since it talked about Betty and Barney Hill it had to be since 1971 or 72.

These, plus an inability to turn up the book _Introductory Space Science_in any library catalog made it seem as though the chapter belonged to same category of such disputed works as Blue Book Special Report #13.

However, a search on the Library of Congress system (LOCIS) on the name Donald G. Carpenter revealed the following entry.

LC Call Number: QB505 .E55
Title: Environmental Space Sciences.
Authors: Donald G. Carpenter[and others]
Publication Info: Northbrook, Ill., Whitehall Co. [c1972]
Phys. Description: 719 p. illus. 26 cm.

As luck would have it, our university library had this very book; I have it by my side right now. It in fact DOES contain a chapter on UFO's. The chapter in the book has the same organization as the chapter in the
usaf.textbook.chapter file, with extra commentary at the end critiquing the Condon report. Some other differences that popped out: in the book, Carpenter declares the Book of Dzyan story to be a hoax and also suggests
that economists should analyze the flight patterns of UFO's. The tone of the chapter in the book, however, is the same as as the tone of the chapter in the file: he advocates the the spirit of scientific inquiry, with a strong skepticism towards UFO buffs and UFO detractors alike.

My guess is that the book _Introductory Space Science_ may have been a preliminary version of the book _Environmental Space Sciences_. Perhaps it was only as set of informally published class notes at the USAF Academy, which
would explain why _ISS_ is apparently so hard to track down. Some reasons to believe that _ESS_ followed _ISS_ are

1. Carpenter is listed as a major in _ISS_ (i.e., the file); in _ESS_ (the book) he is a Lt. Colonel (the next higher rank)

2. _ISS_ contains bibliographic references up to 1968;
_ESS_ has them up to 1971.

3. Carpenter is listed as a FORMER associate professor of physics at the USAF Academy in _ESS_.

4. The partial table of contents for _ISS_ (provided by Rouse in his posting)indicates a smaller page count than for _ESS_ (although the chapter structure remains the same).

5. The _ESS_ chapter contains material beyond the _ISS_ chapter.

In summary: the chapter exists and is freely available.

As a final note, here are a couple of blurbs from the book from _ESS_ that I found amusing. Although Carpenter made a point of defending the USAF's policy towards UFO's, we have the following disclaimer on the copyright page:

This book is not a United States Government publication. The views expressed within this book are those of the Editor and Authors alone, and do not necessarily agree or disagree with the Official views of the United States Government.

On the back of the book, the sum total description of the contents of the book is as follows. (I was impressed that they saw fit to mention UFO's to the exclusion
of any of the other 32 chapters.)

Environmental Space Sciences
We are now in the space age and must understand how to move and survive in it.

This book provides some of the essential information needed on space environment and orients us to the whole new and fascinating field of Space Science, including the problem of the UFO. (See Chapter XXXIII.)

The authors are highly qualified and professional scientists who have devoted their careers to this fantastic frontier. They have participated in virtually every phase of Space Science from the beginning.

Brian Pinette
150 posted on 10/21/2003 4:52:56 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: Quix
Welcome...

Haven't seen ya around much...Hope all is well..

M

151 posted on 10/21/2003 4:56:19 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: All
One of the most interesting books I've ever read on the subject was a NASA engineer that was an eyewitness to a UFO. After the sighting, he dedicated himself to finding out answers to how they worked, the physics behind their operation. He based his theories on the best visual evidence that had multiple reputable witnesses and fell into a general "performance matrix" of known capabilities based on reputable eyewitness events. He deduced that they use focused gravitational fields for their propulsion using a power source that generates a lot of X-rays. The most fascinating book I've ever read.

The author is Paul Hill, if you're skeptical about UFO's it might change your mind. If you already believe they exist, then this is a must-have book. A lot of sightings make total sense after reading this book. The performance characteristics are consistent with real operational craft that use propulsion/power-supply technology that we barely understand.

Here's a link to the book:

Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis

152 posted on 10/21/2003 4:59:03 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: unix
Thanks.

Teaching part time at the Jr College here--composition. Lots of papers to grade. 9 hours in Taipei was full time with full benefits etc. Here it's part time with tons of structure and other . . . stuff.

Nevertheless, good bosses and it's great to be back in front of students.

Thanks for your caring.

The best to you and yours with great intimacy and communication.
153 posted on 10/21/2003 5:03:35 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: Brett66
Have read at least major portions of it.

I also find it a very worthwhile book.

Thanks.
154 posted on 10/21/2003 5:04:34 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: AppyPappy
I only need one. There is no physical evidence they exist.

There are many accepted facts and conclusions in the scientific world that are based simply on theory, and not on physical evidence.

155 posted on 10/21/2003 5:06:34 PM PDT by usadave
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To: SteveH
Another 'documentation' of the AIR FORCE text book can be found at:

http://groups.msn.com/COSMICVIEW/usaftextonufos3.msnw
156 posted on 10/21/2003 5:11:29 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: SteveH
I this when Howard Dean arrived?
157 posted on 10/21/2003 5:15:14 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
A recent VIDEO is discussed here with a link to the video itself.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/2553384/detail.html
158 posted on 10/21/2003 5:16:32 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: tkathy
Do you know what those are? They are a military transport craft made like a blimp but better. It carries as much equipment as something like 10 C-130's and travels only a few hundred feet above the ground.

It's being tested for long transports over oceans and can move faster than ships.
159 posted on 10/21/2003 5:18:12 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: SteveH
I haven't had any "close encounters of the nth kind" yet, but if I do, it will be a close encounter of the last kind for the offending space goblins.
160 posted on 10/21/2003 5:21:17 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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