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UFO still puzzles 30 years later (Coyne Incident)
Mansfield Journal ^ | 10/18/2003 | Russ Kent

Posted on 10/21/2003 3:02:06 AM PDT by SteveH

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:39:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MANSFIELD -- Thirty years ago tonight, strange things were happening in the skies over north central Ohio.

A close encounter in Mansfield, that has since become known as "The Coyne Incident," is still raising eyebrows among believers and UFO investigators.


(Excerpt) Read more at mansfieldnewsjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: coyne; et; extraterrestrial; flyingsaucer; helicopter; ohio; puzzle; puzzles; ufo
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To: AppyPappy
It's been 50 years...

Absolutely right. Back in the mid-'60s I saw a most unusual group of red lights in the night sky in a remote part of British Columbia. Three days later when the papers arrived, UFO sightings that very evening in various parts of B.C. were on the front page. I have provisionally concluded, until convinced otherwise, that these were secret experimental aircraft flights under Norad's aegis. I wish the Government would admit to 30+ year old observations - it would deflate a lot of the wilder theories.

101 posted on 10/21/2003 12:09:17 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: SteveH
I know...I know.

I thought we had "gotten closure" on this "issue."

Again...I apologize for my momentary lack of concentration (Muttly brains are very small, you know)...but I was cleaning it, and it just sort-of went off.

I renew my vow to be more careful in the future - which, except for a few unfortunate incidents that I have also apopogized for - I have done, and I hope we can all forget about this, and move on with our busy lives.

Sorry for any interruptions of broadcast and telephone reception my little unscheduled experiments may have perhaps been somewhat related to.
102 posted on 10/21/2003 12:09:32 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Too Cute to be Guilty)
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To: Bon mots
No trouble believing you at all.
103 posted on 10/21/2003 12:11:12 PM PDT by Quix
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To: AppyPappy
You are still not responding as I had hoped for, requested in terms of the underlying paradigm motivations, etc.

and I think you know it.

AP: 1. There is no physical evidence.

WRONG. There's been quite a lot for a subject that's still so effectively kept under wraps by the government et al. The evidence is available in print for anyone with a fair mind to investigate. I suspect, there are even people in your own personal network with more information than could be wisely sneezed at.

Interestingly, one claim by ONE source in one of the books cited above was that if the government didn't wholesale suppress the info and evidence, that the world would be destroyed instantly. Thankfully I know God wouldn't allow that--but it's an interesting motivation for the powers that be to wrestle with.

AP: 2. There is no physical evidence that can be produced by anyone.

The book on Alien Implants above produced multiple bits of evidence well documented. Willful ignorance is scant excuse.

AP: 3. There is no evidence that any of this phenomena came from outside Earth.

Wrong again. Even that evidence of a reliable and impressive quality and amount is available. But given your preference for a TYPE II error, enjoy your comfort in ignorance.
104 posted on 10/21/2003 12:18:19 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
I'm curious.

What is the explanation for why all these governments -- which have changed personnel and leadership through the course of many decades -- would maintain this alleged conspiracy of denial? Politicians are always looking for things to distract people and to give them a cause around which to rally. Seems that it would be in their interest to make the big announcement of alien visitation and to disclose all the evidence. Yet, they continue (supposedly) to maintain this massive cover-up conspiracy. Makes no sense to me at all, especially considering that the same people have not remained in power that entire time. I cannot imagine a convincing explanation for that.

What I find kind of remarkable is that some take "I've never seen anything like it" as evidence that whatever is seen has to be some form of alien vessel. I can imagine hundreds of top secret flight/espionage projects, RPV's, etc., and experiments that would look strange. For example, I can only imagine how the original stealth aircraft may have been perceived, particularly in poor visibility or at night.

For an "explanation" of these events, I'd offer the following:

1) people lie for amusement or to inflate their own sense of self-importance. The fact that someone occupies a supposedly respectable position does not make them immune to that phenomenon, so personal testimonials carry little or no weight for me. Just because someone says it doesn't make it true. Just because 10 people say it doesn't make it true.

2) people are seeing ordinary things, but because of their particular perception, maybe a bad angle or something, it appears somewhat freakish. I can't tell you how many times I've had witnesses describe something honestly, but been horribly, horribly wrong.

3) The military has engaged in some highly secretive experiments with various unusual shaped craft, and rather than reveal that information to the public and destroy secrecy, they keep quiet and let people devise their own fanciful explanations.

All three of those -- and most likely a combination -- make far more sense than assuming that the government -- which is not and has never been monolithic -- would keep alien visitation a secret for more than half a century.

105 posted on 10/21/2003 12:18:45 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: AppyPappy
They have. They did. The documentation is in the book among other places.

Enjoy your TYPE II error.
106 posted on 10/21/2003 12:19:18 PM PDT by Quix
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Do you REALLY believe the magician stuff and the other reported stuff are remotely in the same ball park?

Interesting construction on reality.
107 posted on 10/21/2003 12:20:03 PM PDT by Quix
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To: RightWhale
We want physical evidence of the kind you can bag and tag.

It's currently against the law for you or me to pick up a piece of space debris or to come in contact with aliens. There are federal guidelines for firefighters and first responders as to how to deal with a ufo crash.

You saw what happened to Jim Saunders when he was given a piece of TWA800. What do you think the government's response would be if bag and tag evidence was reported at some location?

Seriously. If you were the government, what would you do in that actuality? Would you contact the press and invite them in, or would you cordone off the area?

You can be shot on sight for getting too close to Nellis AFB because the U.S. doesn't want you to get a good look at Tacit Blue, or whatever else was high tech ten years ago. Do you think the government would have a lower level of security attached to the acquisition of alien technology?

Personally, I think that if a citizen were to show up at Rockefeller Plaza arm in arm with an alien for a press conference, reporters would be warned off by both their producers and federal agents, the alien sequestered, it's existence denied, and my bones, after a hellish interrogation, would be fish food in the Hudson.

108 posted on 10/21/2003 12:20:52 PM PDT by Jim Cane
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To: Quix
There's been quite a lot for a subject that's still so effectively kept under wraps by the government et al.

Oh, so there IS evidence but no one can see it. Well, that's helpful.

The book on Alien Implants above produced multiple bits of evidence well documented.

So where is the physical evidence? In a museum somewhere?

109 posted on 10/21/2003 12:21:33 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
And I would think that

YOU HAD

A) a very inferior relative

AND/OR

B) a very inferior, laughable level of 'trust' RELATIONSHIOP

AND/OR

C) you were tooooooo biased, blind, something to recognize a good relative or trustworthiness when it slapped you in the face.
110 posted on 10/21/2003 12:21:34 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Please enlighten us on how this report could not possibly have been as it appears to be--factual.

You don't "set" the controls on a helicopter into a 20-degree dive.

This thing looks like a sea story that hornswoggled an ignorant member of the press...

111 posted on 10/21/2003 12:24:06 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: auggy
You know.

God knows.

ET knows.

And, evidently the powers that be in the government probably know. Evidently there are mediculous records kept of EVERY contact.
112 posted on 10/21/2003 12:24:06 PM PDT by Quix
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To: headsonpikes
I believe we have our own craft as my relative insisted we did.

I believe there are ET exclusive craft.

I believe there are other super secret conventional/bi-modal craft.

I believe there are other secrets relatively unrelated also hiding under the big umbrella.
113 posted on 10/21/2003 12:25:50 PM PDT by Quix
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To: auggy
Why would E.T. flag down a lonely car in the middle of the night? If they wanted to "contact" us, you'd figure they'd be intelligent enough to park in front of the Capitol in broad daylight.

If they just wanted to kidnap us, you'd figure that with all their science, they could be a bit more circumspect than simply trying to flag someone down.

The problem I have with the whole UFO thing is that the explanation for why the aliens are doing what they are, and why the government is supposedly covering it up, don't make any sense to me. You correctly ask the "why" question when rejecting the possibility that its just kids, but the "why" aliens would choose to flag you down in that way seems like an even bigger hurdle to overcome.

I also don't understand the how they can be so technologically sophisticated as to have these starships that move incomprehensively, and yet be so inept when they land here. Either they want to be seen, or they don't. If they do, then as I said, why not the Capitol. And if not, shouldn't they have the technology to avoid detection?

114 posted on 10/21/2003 12:26:31 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
I think you underestimate the capacity of the government to intimidate people.

Then, of course, there's the numbers of 'security risks' who have turned up dead.
115 posted on 10/21/2003 12:27:45 PM PDT by Quix
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To: XJarhead
people are seeing ordinary things

Often, or maybe normally, they don't even see normal things. We had a silvery object over town and I managed to get a small telescope on it. There was kind of an informal afternoon neighborhood social gettogether going on, kids and parents. No one else could even see the object, nor would they look through the telescope. It was a weather balloon at high altitude, and as happens when the balloon gets high enough, it ruptured. I happened to be looking through the telescope at that moment. To the eye the object simply disappeared, but through the eyepiece the shards were easily visible scattering in all directions. Still, no one else would look through the eyepiece, and no one else saw anything the whole time.

It's hardly surprising that when someone eventually sees something like that, they don't know what it is.

116 posted on 10/21/2003 12:29:12 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Jim Cane; AppyPappy
Correct.

And, you left out the $10,000 fine and 6 months in jail hazard for CIVILIAN AIRLINE pilots discussing UFO sightings.

Clearly there's NOTHING GOING ON. That's what the fine and jail term are about, NOTHING, APPY PAPPY, NOTHING.

Enjoy your TYPE II error.
117 posted on 10/21/2003 12:29:43 PM PDT by Quix
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To: AppyPappy
Read the book, then bother me about it again.

Sheesh.
118 posted on 10/21/2003 12:30:19 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Jim Cane
That's correct. It is a Federal crime to contact space aliens. Better hope they don't crash in your yard.
119 posted on 10/21/2003 12:30:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Poohbah
Holding the controls in your hands in a manner designed to implement such a descent

could easily, IN ENGLISH have been described have having
'set' the controls.

I expected the rest of your assessment.
120 posted on 10/21/2003 12:31:46 PM PDT by Quix
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