Posted on 10/18/2003 1:17:55 PM PDT by summer
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From: Jeb Bush
To: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: ...one question for you...
Unfortunately, I cannot issue an executive order when there is a court order upheld at every level in the judiciary. Mr. Shiavo is the legal guardian and I can't override that fact. I wish I could but I have no legal authority to do so.
Jeb
-----Original Message-----
From: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Jeb Bush
Subject: ...question for you...
Can you use your authority to issue an Executive Order, to place her [Terri] in a different hospice that has no connection to her husband, as a temporary stop measure to [get] this woman back on feeding so that you have the time necessary to review whatever other options may exist for you, as this current situation with her removed from the tubes will result in an irrevocable situation?
I couldn't find any prohibition in the Florida constitution to back up the above statement. But I'm no legal scholar. I can't even find where it talks about the wall between Church and State in the Federal constitution.
I know it has to be there because so many cases are argued on that point.
There are so many people willing to find so many reasons why no one can take any action.
The governor's powers regarding executive orders are quite broad and open to many interpretations. But the is no state entity that has the power to declare any such action illegal.
Some say Bush would act, if he could, because he would recieve massive support. There's more to it though.
He would recieve criticism from the pro death faction and die-hard political enemies. Not a lot of opposition but tough vocal street fighting opposition by people who fight and fight dirty for what they want
From what I read on this thread he has nothing to fear from you if he does not act. You'll dutifully vote for him because you're so afraid of the other candidate..
I don't understand that because how worse could an alternative be?
If he allows the State judiciary to act as a killing machine that euthanizes the handicapped, how much worse can it get?
I have seen many outrages committed upon the American people over the past several years, but this in your face public homicide makes them seem quite insignifant. If this terrible thing comes to pass, they may just as well change the address of the State House to 4 Tiergartenstrasse. T-4 for short. It's all just so surreal.
Next thing you know we'll find ourselves extending our understanding to Greer (He was only upholding the law); To Felos (He was only defending Terri's right to privacy); To Schiavo (I guess, in his heart he did what he believed was right).
We musn't be kneejerk or judgemental
The above is from a link on my FR page.
First, there is NO, NONE, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA EVIDENCE---CLEAR, CONVINCING OR OTHERWISE---that Terri has "no circuitry" or that "it's gone."
Second, even is she HAS nerve damage, nerves CAN grow, albeit slowly.
DOCTORS DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!
Irrelevant. All med personnel involved spoke well of the husbands concern and availability at trial(s). The court oversaw the whole extended affair.
" How can any reasonable person not believe that there's even a possible conflict of interest in a case where a husband stands to gain a lot of money upon his wife's death?"
Did you read the court docs? The court took over all of it, to avoid this accusation. Read the court docs. They'll clarify things.
Any physician will tell you that medicine is an art, and definitely not a science. Any medical professional, such as myself, will tell you that there are numerous times in your career in which:
the patient who should have lived and had every chance on their side, dies suddenly and in explicably.
And the patient who should have died, had labs that were incompatible with life, wakes up one day and walks out of the hospital completely normal.
Stories kind of like these in fact.
The story about Christine Busalacchi, on this page above, is no longer true. She was dehydrated to death just as Terri is being killed, shortly after this was written.
Would you be so kind as to supply a link to the particular document you're referring to?
Don't spend to much time in the casinos. You're not very good at guessing.
Wow! They're pretty smart. They seem to know about everything except the intrinsic value of human life.
PLAY-GOD-SPUNKETS, YOU DON'T KNOW SHE WOULD "CONTINUE IN SUCH A CONDITION!!!!!!!!!
Having had my SEVERELY mentally and physically disabled daughter on a RESPIRATOR IN OUR HOME FOR OVER 3 YEARS, and OFF of it for the last 15-16 years, I have a LOT more faith in TRYING various tools to save MY daughter's life than in the average Doctor. Thankfully, we had VERY PROGRESSIVE Doctors in town at the time.
The case of a child, or anyone naturally handicaped is not the same as this case at all. This case has to do with a competent adult, that had moved out of the parents house to enter her new life with a husband.
The court was presented with the question of determining her condition and trying to establish whether she would have willed to continue in such a condition. They're not concerned at all with what anyone else at all wants to do with her. Or any testimony from non board certified docs regarding her health status and it's prognosis. Only with whatTerri would want to do in such a state and future. In the event the court could come to no conclusion, because of doubt, they would have kept up the life support. They found clear and convincing evidence that Terri would have shut off the treatment.
Can you post any reason the court might have been presented with that Terri would have had to continue inderfinitely as a vegetable on life support? The parents provided none.
You have said this more than once. Would you be so kind as to share with us exactly what this evidence is?
Forgive me if I've missed it, but can you please provide me with links to the court documents which show (1) what the clear and compelling evidence of Terri's wish do die actually was, other than the claims of the husband and in-laws; (2) on what basis Judge Greer concluded that Michael couldn't possibly have a conflict of interest regarding Terri's care?
You had to go to the docs to obtain advice and treatment. I don't. I stand on an equal intellectual basis with them. I can teach them new things, make them new devices and understand and evaluate anything they say. It may take more time, because I'm just a chicken farmer, but in my clashes with them best of them I have not been in err.
"Thankfully, we had VERY PROGRESSIVE Doctors in town at the time."
Progressive means nothing. You hired a more capable practitioner, a better scientist iows.
That's the actual court transcripts I never saw them posted, or know they're on the web at all.
"(2) on what basis Judge Greer concluded that Michael couldn't possibly have a conflict of interest regarding Terri's care?
The court took over everything from all parties. That's in the court doc links I posted early on.
That's the actual court transcripts I never saw them posted, or know they're on the web at all.
How do you know there actually was any "clear and compelling evidence" beyond the testimony of Terri's husband and in-laws?
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