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Jeb's email to summer re: Terri and Governor's Power on Executive Orders
summer | Oct 18, 2003 | Emails from FL Gov Bush and summer

Posted on 10/18/2003 1:17:55 PM PDT by summer

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeb Bush
To: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: ...one question for you...


Unfortunately, I cannot issue an executive order when there is a court order upheld at every level in the judiciary. Mr. Shiavo is the legal guardian and I can't override that fact. I wish I could but I have no legal authority to do so.

Jeb


-----Original Message-----
From: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Jeb Bush
Subject: ...question for you...

Can you use your authority to issue an Executive Order, to place her [Terri] in a different hospice that has no connection to her husband, as a temporary stop measure to [get] this woman back on feeding so that you have the time necessary to review whatever other options may exist for you, as this current situation with her removed from the tubes will result in an irrevocable situation?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deathcultivation; fl; jebbush; terri; terrischiavo
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To: spunkets
"Can you provide a reason(s) why anyone would want continue in such condiiton?"

Anyone who was Catholic would, because suicide is a mortal sin in Catholic doctrine.

Terri was/is Catholic. She wasn't a regular churchgoer but to my knowledge she never disavowed her professed religion either.

The assumption being made is that she would commit suicide if she could, so it's up to the State to do it for her. Therefore, her professed faith should have direct bearing in the matter.

And btw, I'm not religious. I'm agnostic. I still find the above to be a compelling argument.

Qwinn
221 posted on 10/18/2003 10:19:04 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: PleaseNoMore
"Excuse me, but, it is a crime in Florida to withhold medical treatment from a disabled person. Michael Schiavo did just that when Terri suffered severe infections."

The husband had the power to exercise Terri's right to refuse treatment. There is no crime. Richard Thompson's opinion and story is rubbish.

222 posted on 10/18/2003 10:21:45 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: iowamomforfreedom
I haven't posted on this subject much but it is so terrifyingly upsetting. I recently heard from a neighbor that her Ivy league college professor literally was born with only one hemisphere in his brain. Apparently the other hemisphere took over in all aspects, and the man is a brilliant, published professor.

Just thought I'd throw that in there. The brain is plastic enough for certain parts to take over functions for other parts.

223 posted on 10/18/2003 10:26:01 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: spunkets
The husband had the power to exercise Terri's right to refuse treatment. There is no crime. Richard Thompson's opinion and story is rubbish.

www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/bonescan.htm

The four paragraphs directly below this are taken from the Media Kit posted at Terri's website. Below that is a true transcript (also posted on www.terrisfight.org, in the download section titled "Bone Scan"). We've transcribed it here for easier reading, since the original was very faint with broken and blurred letters.

You will read a transcript of the doctor describing what he found on Terri's bone scan. We had help with definitions and will bracket those terms for further understanding of what you're reading.

Allegedly -- according to Michael Schiavo -- Terri's brain damage was due to a heart attack. Read this and then decide which you believe. -- Jackie -- October 16th, 2003

P.S. If you haven't made your calls for Terri, PLEASE DO.

__________

Terri was NEVER diagnosed as a heart attack victim when she was admitted to the Northside Humana emergency room in February 1990. To this day, her family does not know the true cause of her collapse.

Doctors immediately excluded heart attack as her blood enzymes were not elevated -- typical in all heart attack victims. Terri's toxicology screen also eliminated any suspicion of drugs.

At the time of Terri's admittance, blood tests revealed a depletion of electrolytes and her attending physician HYPOTHESIZED that low blood potassium MAY have caused her collapse. It was with this information that Michael Schiavo entered into a lawsuit against Terri's General Practitioner and Gynecologist, claiming negligence on their part.

In preparation for Terri's October 2002 trial, her ER records were reviewed and it was plainly noted in the "Admitting Summary" that Terri had a "rigid neck" when she was admitted to the hospital. These injuries were never disclosed to Terri's family, nor -- to their knowledge -- were they ever investigated. The doctor reviewing these records testified that the only other patient he treated with similar injuries was the victim of an attempted strangulation.

The prospect that foul play may have led to Terri's collapse and ensuing heart stoppage was enhanced when a bone scan was recently found. This scan, taken 53 weeks after Terri's collapse revealed that Terri had fractured ribs, damage to her pelvic area, LI vertebrae, spine, both knees and both ankles. It also revealed that Terri had suffered a broken femur and a broken back. Three doctors concluded that Terri had endured trauma of some sort. The radiologist responsible for the scan plainly stated: "This patient has a history of trauma". [excerpt from the media kit]

__________

831223741016

03-05-91

Theresa Schiavo

Nuclear Imaging

BONE SCAN

3-5-91

Indication: Evaluate for trauma

Procedure and findings. Multiple gama camera images of the axial [trunk] and proximal appendicular [limbs] skeleton in the anterior [front] and posterior [back] projections were obtained following 2.1 millicuries of technetium 99m HDP.

There are an extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide accumulation of intense type. These include multiple bilateral ribs, the costovertebral [where ribs and vertebra come together] aspects of several of the thoracic [upper] vertebral bodies, the L1 [lower] vertebral body, both sacroliac joints, the distal right femoral diaphysis, both knees and both ankles, the right greater than the left.

Correlative radiographs are obtained of the lumbar spine and of the right femur [leg bone] which reveal compression fracture; minor, superior and plate of L1, and shaggy, irregular periosteal ossification along the distal femoral diaphysis, and metaphysis primarily ventrally. [calcification showing where bones were broken and have healed].

The patient has a history of trauma. Most likely the femoral periosteal reaction reflects a response to a subperiosteal hemorrhage and the activity in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression fracture which is presumably traumatic.

The presumptions is that the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma. Additional possibilities would be neoplastic bone disease, widespread disseminated infectious bone disease or multiple bone infarcts from abnormal hemoglobin.

CONCLUSION: Multiple areas of abnormal scintigraphic [actinographic?] accumulation, some of which are radiograph for differential as discussed above.

W. Campbell Walker M.D./mjt

Dictated 3-5-91

Transcribed ?-5-91

Lee Memorial Hospital

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NOTE: The person who helped with the spelling and definitions said simply, what the doctor described would be the results of someone who had been kicked, and kicked and kicked. The thoracic damage was possibly from strangulation. If a person is strangulated it follows there would be a loss of oxygen to the brain -- causing brain damage -- as the blood supply was blocked. - Jackie

Read the Nurse's affidavit indicating that she believes Schiavo has repeatedly tried to murder Terri since her hospitalization. http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/aff2.pdf

This is is more horrible than any fictional horror story. This judge and Schiavo's lawyers are committing murder for Schiavo.

224 posted on 10/18/2003 10:28:05 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: spunkets
Can you provide a reason(s) why anyone would want continue in such condiiton?

First off, because doctors who say there's zero chance of rehabilitation have been wrong in the past.

Second, because even if Terri has only minimal cognitive abilities, she seems to have a sense of things being pleasant or unpleasant, and she seems to regard her parent's presence as pleasant.

Third, because if she is incapable of feeling anything there would be no harm to anyone keeping her alive if the parents wish to use their own time and money to do so.

Those seem like good reasons for starters.

225 posted on 10/18/2003 10:29:36 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: spunkets
And your qualifications for dismissing Richard Thompson's opinion are?????
226 posted on 10/18/2003 10:30:25 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: spunkets
SPUNKETS WROTE: "Terri was once competant, so the state has to protect the right to life and will that she is still presumed to have. If they find there is no doubt with clear and convincing evidence that she would want the artificial life support stopped, that's what they must do."

THE POINT IS THERE IS NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA EVIDENCE---CLEAR, CONVINCING OR OTHERWISE---THAT TERRI WANTS TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And there is PLENTY of EVIDENCE that MICHAEL SCHIAVO has probably attempted to MURDER Terri on SEVERAL ocassions.

Either the PARENTS, or at least a NON-involved THIRD PARTY, should be brought in as a GUARDIAN AS LITEM (sp?), and the money should be administered by her PARENTS or a NON-involved THIRD PARTY.

JEB BUSH NEEDS TO HAVE A SECRET AUDIO-VIDEO TAPE GOING AT ALL TIMES IN HER ROOM, ESPECIALLY WHEN MICHAEL SCHIAVO GOES INTO TERRI'S ROOM!!!

Then, there will be DOCUMENTED AUDIO-VIDEO PROOF when he is shown to be giving Terri INSULIN INJECTIONS, after having given her a POTASSIUM INJECTION the original night.

ANYONE who has REPEATEDLY STATED HE WAS WANTING HER TO DIE (AND ANGRY AFTER FINDING SHE HASN'T DIED YET), SHOULD NOT BE ANYONE'S GUARDIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

227 posted on 10/18/2003 10:40:20 PM PDT by Concerned
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To: Qwinn
That reason for wanting to continue med treatment at all costs doesn't work in Terri's case.

"She wasn't a regular churchgoer."

She rarely went and had no parishoner contacts, or friends. She showed little interest in Catholicism. That means doctrine wasn't a big part of her life's philosophy. I'm a member of a Catholic Congregation. My parents, friends, reletives all of them that are do not consider living wills forbiding such treatment in conditions such as this suicide. It was not suicide before the tech was drempt up and it's not suicide now that it's here.

What the court needs to look for with ref to Catholic doctrine are the few that believe suffering is good and holy . That sort of thing. Terri's life philosophy showed no evidence of that sort of thing.

Suicide is when you off yourself, or place yourself in certain mortal risk for for some perverted pleasure.

BTW, the only mortal sin is to reject the Holy Spirit.

228 posted on 10/18/2003 10:40:58 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Concerned
Get a grip. Paranoia is a disease.
229 posted on 10/18/2003 10:43:08 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: PleaseNoMore
"And your qualifications for dismissing Richard Thompson's opinion are?????"

I'm a chicken farmer that after consultations with several of my hens have come to understand that part of law that covers a guardian's right to excersize the right of choice of the charge in any and all instances that might arise.

230 posted on 10/18/2003 10:49:39 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
In other words, you either have none to speak of or are unwilling to share them without sarcasm, correct? If either is true then your comments are as dismissable as you say Richard Thompson's opinion is.
231 posted on 10/18/2003 10:53:48 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: spunkets
"My parents, friends, reletives all of them that are do not consider living wills forbiding such treatment in conditions such as this suicide."

I would agree with you in the case of asking that "extraordinary measures" not be taken. Asking that no extraordinary measures be taken is not suicide. I would disagree in the case of simply being -fed-. I don't consider that an extraordinary measure.

If she were at least being given the chance to attempt to be fed orally during this period, then maybe I could consider the feeding tube "extraordinary measures" in contrast to attempts to feed her normally. But the fact is, she's not even being allowed ordinary measures.

Qwinn
232 posted on 10/18/2003 10:59:14 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: spunkets
SPUNKETS WROTE: "Only Terri's will counts, no one elses."

BINGO!!!

AND THERE IS NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA EVIDENCE---CLEAR, CONVINCING OR OTHERWISE---THAT TERRI HAS EVER INDICATED SHE WANTS TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad you have FINALLY admitted that TERRI'S LIFE WISHES---NOT MICHAEL'S DEATH WISHES---SHOULD BE HONORED!!!!!!!

233 posted on 10/18/2003 11:00:40 PM PDT by Concerned
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To: PleaseNoMore
Freepmail me, please ... urgent
234 posted on 10/18/2003 11:02:17 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: spunkets
Get a grip. Paranoia is a disease.

A guardian ad litem is required any time there is reason to believe that a guardian might have a conflict of interest in the care of his ward.

Can you honestly say that Mr. Schiavo does not have any possible conflict of interest regarding the care of his wife?

My uncle has had to deal with a guardian ad litem in taking care of my grandmother. There's no particularly noteworthy conflict of interest, but because my grandmother owns a fairly valuable piece of property the court required a guardian ad litem just to ensure everything was on the up and up.

How can any reasonable person not believe that there's even a possible conflict of interest in a case where a husband stands to gain a lot of money upon his wife's death? Even if Michael Schiavo were pure as the driven snow, the fact that he would stand to gain from his wife's death should be enough to mandate a guardian ad litem.

When that fact is combined with the facts that Mr. Schiavo shows no interest in marital fidelity and is overtly trying to kill his wife, it takes a pretty dense or corrupt judge to claim that there is no possible conflict of interest involving Michael's care of Terri.

235 posted on 10/18/2003 11:07:27 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
" First off, because doctors who say there's zero chance of rehabilitation have been wrong in the past."

That's not a reason. The question asked already fixes the condition as known. Also the question of rahab is moot in this case, so what is known is that there is zero chance of rehab. All this amounts to is a statement that the person has a high value in the concept of hope. There was evidence that Terri did not, as her established record of prayer demonstrated.

"Second, because even if Terri has only minimal cognitive abilities, she seems to have a sense of things being pleasant or unpleasant, and she seems to regard her parent's presence as pleasant."

She has no cognitive abilities. Emotions are simple responses, there is no cognition. A roaring tiger on her bed would attain the same effect. These things are quantified by the neurologist. In Terri's case they are mostly fixed. That means the effect was mostly continuous and not due to any particular stimulus. Still this is not a reason, or justification for wanting to continue when the known and fixed condition is vegitative and on life support.

"Third, because if she is incapable of feeling anything there would be no harm to anyone keeping her alive if the parents wish to use their own time and money to do so.

Seriously I would only consider placing such a burden on someone I disliked. I would never want to burden someone with such a gruelling, exhaustive task. There was no evidence of any philosophical quirks, such as might occur if she held to some religious doctrine as important.

236 posted on 10/18/2003 11:16:20 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets; lonevoice
SPUNKETS WROTE TO LONEVOICE: "To have such clear and convincing evidence the courts aren't going to be hoodwinked by 3 witnessess from one side of the family. Don't forget Terri was married and had good relations with the parents until the parents failed to get their own way. The parents provided no evidence to raise doubt in their minds."

It is my understanding that the parents were conned to believe that there was a greater liklihood of a significant award going to Terri if there was no fight of guardianship between Michael and them, and that at that time, they understood that Michael WOULD give their daughter the rehabilitation she needed, deserved and would have been paid for.

I further understand that it was not UNTIL Michael DOUBLE-CROSSED THEM by TAKING TERRI'S REHAB MONEY and WITHHOLDING THERAPY that they realized they had been DOUBLE-CROSSED and then fought to get guardianship and the rehab money back.

Now, they are FIGHTIN' MAD that Michael DOUBLE-CROSSED them by committing FRAUD in order to get them to not fight him for guardianship. Now, Michael has the ability to DESTROY THE EVIDENCE BY CREMATION!!!!!

237 posted on 10/18/2003 11:20:15 PM PDT by Concerned
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Swallow tests are meaningless and there is really no such thing. You need to understand she's not aware of anything and never will be. That means she doesn't know when to swallow. The tubes in there, because of documented reason the docs in the court testified to. The neurological tests show,with 100% agreement that she can't do it. That she can never be trained at all. Concentrate on the fact that the parents provided zero med evidence in court, then and even now. One quack showed up at an appeal, but never came back to testify. From what I read from the court docs, I'm convinced it's because he didn't want to incriminate himself as a med fraud perp.
238 posted on 10/18/2003 11:26:49 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
SPUNKETS WROTE: "I read the court docs. They were not hoodwinked. Do you have evidence that Terri would want to have the life of her body preserved indefinitely with machines, even though she would never be aware of anything ever again?

YOU, PLAY-GOD-SPUNKETS, AND the judges have been hoodwinked!

First, she was NOT being kept alive by "MACHINES!"

Second, would you PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU KNOW "she would never be aware of anything ever again?"

I can only guess that it is because you imagine yourself as being GOD, because I CAN ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE THAT NO DOCTOR KNOWS IT! DOCTORS ARE NOT GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND NEITHER ARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My husband and I were told by NEONATOLOGIST DOCTORS [i.e. SPECIALISTS] that our SEVERELY mentally and physically disabled daughter would not live more than 26 DAYS. She is now NINETEEN YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I REPEAT---DOCTORS ARE NOT GODS!!!!!!!!!! DOCTORS DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

239 posted on 10/18/2003 11:36:45 PM PDT by Concerned
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To: All
Please forward this prayer request to your email list:


Please, my friends, before you do anything else today, lift up the name of Terri Schiavo before our Heavenly Father.

She has been denied food and water since the middle of the day Wednesday. She has been denied the presence of those who love her. She has even been denied the comfort of having her pastor administer the Lord's Supper.

Pray also that the Lord will impress on the hearts and minds of our leaders the magnitude of the injustice they are allowing to take place, and that they will act before it is too late.

Tom Hoefling


240 posted on 10/18/2003 11:39:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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