FREEP JEB BUSH for TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO

http://www.Terrisfight.org | Friday, 10-17-03 | floriduh voter

[freeparoundtheclock]

FREEPERS, I have taken a break from Terri's 24/7 Vigil to ask for your participation in the next phase of trying to save Terri's life while we wait for good news.

I have not received the Governor's Itinerary for the following week yet from myflorida.com.

We are asking Floridians and out-of-staters to freep the Governor's Mansion in Tallahassee.

If you need ideas for signs, it's basically urging Governor Bush to issue an executive order to stay Terri's starvation.

At this time, the Florida Supremes are reviewing filings today by Terri's counsel.

We need northern Florida to freep Jeb Bush STAT whether he's there or not.

Finally, if anyone receives Jeb's schedule in their e-newsletter, please post it here so we can hold Terri vigils in whatever town Jeb is in.

Sorry, I can't be more informative at this time. I'm sunburn and tired and this request has come from Terri's team. Thank you in advance. Floriduh Voter

[supercat]

Their oath of office. An act ultra vires is void on it's face. No court can order someone to violate the law.

One problem here is that courts are almost never officially 'wrong'. If a judge invents facts out of thin air which are contradicted by 99.44% of the available evidence, so long as there's 0.1% of the evidence that supports the judge's claims, they are legally deemed true and effectively unchallengeable.

The only way a judge's finding of fact can be challenged is if new evidence is discovered which did not exist when the earlier finding of fact was made, and if a new result can be achieved while interpreting all the old evidence the same way the trial-court judge did. If the original trial court judge goes out of his way to misinterpret evidence, no other court can challenge it. And even if an appeal is accepted, the usual effect is to send the case back to the trial court where it was originally heard.

Thus, there can be an interesting conundrum regarding the legality of orders which would be legal if certain counter-factual conditions applied, if the judge who issued the order made a finding that such conditions applied. I don't know how to resolve that one from a legal perspective.

[Chad Fairbanks]

However, the precedent it would set for an even more liberal administration is just too dangerous to imagine

That's been the concern I've expressed all along in this thread. Maybe I can be convinced there is a legal manner in which the feds can get involved, but I want to also make sure that it doesn't open a can of worms that we all regret down the line...

[Chad Fairbanks]

So, even if that were true, does that mean we should just keep going down that road, or can we spend our energies treying to roll it back?

[narses]

Both the Executive and the Legislative branches are COEQUAL to the judicial. It is time they act like they are.

[pollywog]

Has the Supremes come back with their rulling yet?? I am actually sick tonight from fatique and needing to go to bed. I keep getting back up and checking. If someone finds out if they could freepmail me that would be wonderful.
GOD BE WITH OUR TERRI........

[Jorge]

I'm sorry folks, but it's time to let the poor woman go.

As upsetting as this is, I think you might be right.

Those who think they are helping this woman are only extending her suffering with no hope of recovery.

[supercat]

That's been the concern I've expressed all along in this thread. Maybe I can be convinced there is a legal manner in which the feds can get involved, but I want to also make sure that it doesn't open a can of worms that we all regret down the line...

That is a very important concern, but it's one which leaves conservatives at a disadvantage. After all, in a game where one side is bound by rules and the other is not, the unbound side is apt to get clobbered. On the other hand, if the conservative player takes off the gloves and treats the rules as his opponent does, it can be very difficult to get the gloves back on.

[yesnettv]

Officially over 15, but since this finally made the news, many more have chimed in.

[billbears]

By that logic if I pushed someone down the stairs who happened to be in a wheelchair, I could be charged with a federal violation of civil rights of the individual as well as attempted murder? Do you really want to go down that path? Can you even imagine how liberals would use that? Heck, it'd be hate crimes trials all around!!

If you do that, you've completely accepted supremacy of the national government over the states, in effect destroying the federalist system established by the Founders. Of course OTOH, it's not as if it wasn't destroyed long ago, so what's it really matter eh?

[narses]

Shall we not use the tools we have to save lives?

[Don Joe]

The Schiavos have already tried this, but they were unable to locate the insurance company that paid the bill for the doctor. That company has apparently been sold off and is no longer in business. Believe me, this was one of the first avenues the Schindlers tried, to no avail.

Wasn't that insurance company the one with the same name as the last name of Hubby Dearest's shackup? And isn't she running an insurance company out of their home?

Musical Chairs, Corporate Style?

[narses]

Not at all, you miss the point. If you were a corrupt judge who ordered a wheelchair bound disabled woman pushed down the stairs, THEN you'd be using the correct analogy, and then YES you'd be engaged in a criminal conspiracy to violate her rights. Try using actual logic instead of red herrings in your arguments, ot's more honest that way.

[supercat]

Those who think they are helping this woman are only extending her suffering with no hope of recovery.

That may be true, but if so only because Judge Greer has made it so.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Sure! Let's use the tools we have! Great idea!

In fact, I just came up with an idea to save her - President Bush can order the Justice Department to order her detained under provisions of the Patriot Act indefinately, with the caveat that she be fed and given therapy...

[billbears]

Shall we not use the tools we have to save lives?

If it means further destruction of the Constitutional Republic or losing the possibility of returning to a Republic one day in the future?

No.

[narses]

No jorgy, she is not vegatative, she can recover if treated. Starving people to death for insurance money is criminal barbarism.

[don-o]

So, even if that were true, does that mean we should just keep going down that road, or can we spend our energies treying to roll it back?

I know you are busy, but I really respect posters who will past a snip of what they are responding to. It helps in a running discussion.

The constitutional republic exists now only as a theory. We had one, but failed to keep it.

I don't see how it can be recovered. Can you?

[litany_of_lies]

There was one post of 25 comments, almost all of which were strongly against, and none of which wanted to just let her go.

That gives you an indication of how out there the few people who want to just let her go are (assuming they know the facts of the case).

[Calpernia]

Know what the irony is here? If they get the tube back in at this point...between being w/o food, water and pumped up on morphine since Wednesday, Terri may actually be in a coma by now. Maybe not rehabilitative.

[narses]

Neither applies here, but good try.