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To: BlackElk
Nobody should be allowed to dissent? You wish.

The history of the Church is full of dissent. Always has been, always will be.

Dissent is good. Sometimes the Church makes mistakes. The Pope has apologized for quite a few over the years. He isn't all full of pride, he's a humble man.

169 posted on 10/16/2003 8:06:41 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
Is Contraception Really Inherently Evil?
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171 posted on 10/16/2003 9:57:55 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
The history of the Church is full of dissent. Always has been, always will be.

Sure. Judas. Simon Magus. Montanus. Nestorius. Arrius. etc. etc. etc.

Join the parade, pal.
179 posted on 10/16/2003 6:45:41 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: CobaltBlue; Antoninus; ninenot
No one should be allowed to dissent as you do AND be regarded as Catholic which you obviously are not whatever it may please you to imagine. The Church makes NO mistakes on dogma.

Have you considered Congregationalism? They call ministers according to the tastes of the congregation. Unitarianism-Universalism? They believe everyone is going to heaven, providing it exists, quite egalitarian, don't you know?

Objective reality is objective reality. You dissent from Catholic doctrine and you are NOT Catholic. No one says you have to be Catholic and you are not. For someone who adopts an essentially Protestant view of YOPIOS, you are also somewhat hard on Protestants in saying that God wants no one to be Protestant and on Jews in saying that God wants no one to be Jewish.

Further, stop kidding yourself that this has something to do with Vatican II. I bet you like humble apologizing more than other papal qualities. Are you imagining that a pope will someday apologize for whatever it is that actually irks you?

Antoninus has already made the most important point in response to this post of yours and I second everything he said.

I do wish that no one claming Catholicism be allowed to dissent but unfortunately we live in a fallen world. Don't be surprised, however, when Catholics defend the Church in the face of the entrenched impertinence of her allegedly "Catholic" critics and other chronic malcontents.

212 posted on 10/17/2003 8:35:21 AM PDT by BlackElk (Margaret Higgins Sanger is dead. Now she knows what she may not have suspected in life.)
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