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To: CobaltBlue; Antoninus; ninenot
No one should be allowed to dissent as you do AND be regarded as Catholic which you obviously are not whatever it may please you to imagine. The Church makes NO mistakes on dogma.

Have you considered Congregationalism? They call ministers according to the tastes of the congregation. Unitarianism-Universalism? They believe everyone is going to heaven, providing it exists, quite egalitarian, don't you know?

Objective reality is objective reality. You dissent from Catholic doctrine and you are NOT Catholic. No one says you have to be Catholic and you are not. For someone who adopts an essentially Protestant view of YOPIOS, you are also somewhat hard on Protestants in saying that God wants no one to be Protestant and on Jews in saying that God wants no one to be Jewish.

Further, stop kidding yourself that this has something to do with Vatican II. I bet you like humble apologizing more than other papal qualities. Are you imagining that a pope will someday apologize for whatever it is that actually irks you?

Antoninus has already made the most important point in response to this post of yours and I second everything he said.

I do wish that no one claming Catholicism be allowed to dissent but unfortunately we live in a fallen world. Don't be surprised, however, when Catholics defend the Church in the face of the entrenched impertinence of her allegedly "Catholic" critics and other chronic malcontents.

212 posted on 10/17/2003 8:35:21 AM PDT by BlackElk (Margaret Higgins Sanger is dead. Now she knows what she may not have suspected in life.)
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To: BlackElk; Long Cut; honeygrl
No one should be allowed to dissent as you do AND be regarded as Catholic.

Obviously, you haven't studied the history of the Counter-Reformation.

Further, to those who say that the Church cannot make mistakes, the Pope, and others in the Church, have apologized numerous times, e.g., for failing to help more Jews during the Holocaust. See also Memory and Reconciliation: The Church and the Faults of the Past, which apologized primarily for the use of force in the service of the truth.

I may be right, I may be wrong, but regardless, I am a Catholic. I pray for Christ to show me the way.

Thank you for taking the time to voice your opinions. I do disagree with you, but respect your service in what you see as the truth.

214 posted on 10/17/2003 10:44:46 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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