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The second American civil war: what it's about
townhall.com | 10/14/03 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 10/13/2003 9:41:44 PM PDT by kattracks

Whatever your politics, you have to be oblivious to reality to deny that America today is torn by ideological divisions as deep as those of the Civil War era. We are, in fact, in the midst of the Second American Civil War.

Of course, one obvious difference between the two is that this Second Civil War is (thus far) non-violent. On the other hand, there is probably more hatred between the opposing sides today than there was during the First Civil War. And I am not talking about extremists. A senior editor of the respected center-left New Republic just wrote an article titled, "The Case for Bush Hatred," an article that could have been written by writers at most major American newspapers, by most Hollywood celebrities, and almost anyone else left of center. And the conservative hatred of former President Bill Clinton was equally deep.

In general, however, the similarities are greater than the differences. Once again the North and the South are at odds (though many individuals on each side identify with the other). And once again, the fate of the nation hangs in the balance. The two sides' values and visions of America are as incompatible as they were in the 1860s.

For those Americans who do not know what side they are on or who are not certain about what the Second American Civil War is being fought over, I offer a list of the most important areas of conflict.

While the views of many, probably even most, Americans do not fall entirely on either side, the two competing camps are quite distinguishable. On one side are those on the Left -- liberals, leftists and Greens -- who tend to agree with one another on almost all major issues. On the other side are those on the Right -- conservatives, rightists and libertarians -- who agree on stopping the Left, but differ with one another more often than those on the Left do.

Here, then, is Part One of the list of the major differences that are tearing America apart:

The Left believes in removing America's Judeo-Christian identity, e.g., removing "under God" from the Pledge, "In God we trust" from the currency, the oath to God and country from the Boy Scouts Pledge, etc. The Right believes that destroying these symbols and this identity is tantamount to destroying America.

The Left regards America as morally inferior to many European societies with their abolition of the death penalty, cradle-to-grave welfare and religion-free life; and it does not believe that there are distinctive American values worth preserving. The Right regards America as the last best hope for humanity and believes that there are distinctive American values -- the unique combination of a religious (Judeo-Christian) society, a secular government, personal liberty and capitalism -- worth fighting and dying for.

The Left believes that impersonal companies, multinational and otherwise, with their insatiable drive for profits, have a profoundly destructive effect on the country. The Right believes that the legal system, particularly trial lawyers, lawsuits and judges who make laws, is the greater threat to American society.

The Left believes multiculturalism should be the ideal for American schools and for government policy. The Right believes that the Americanization of all its citizens is indispensable to the survival of the United States.

The Left believes that the Boy Scouts as currently constituted pose a moral threat to society. The Right believes the Boy Scouts continue to be one of the greatest moral institutions in the country.

The Left believes in equality more than in liberty. The Right believes more in liberty. For example, the Left believes that for the equality's sake, men's clubs must accept women. The Right believes that for liberty's sake, associations must be free to choose their own members.

The Left believes that when schools give out condoms to teenagers, they are promoting safe sex. The Right believes that when schools give out condoms, they are promoting more sex.

The Left believes that poverty, racism and psychopathology cause violent crime. The Right believes a lack of self-control, lack of religious practice and lack of good values are the primary causes of violent crime.

The Left believes that "war is not the answer." The Right believes that war is often the only answer to governmental evil.

Any one of these differences is enough to create an entirely different America. Added together, the differences suggest people who live in different worlds that are on a collision course.

And I have only listed some of the conflicting views.

Next week, in Part Two, I will discuss the other major conflicts making for the Second American Civil War.

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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To: exmarine
I am not sure about the pubbies waking up and reversing course. I don't see that happening at all. LIBERAL Ahh-nold was just backed by practically the entire Republican Party. What does that say? That tells me that liberal pubbies are just lite demmies. :)

The fact that the media, particularly the LaLa Times, launched an assault on Ahnold should reveal something. Sometimes small steps are better than overstepping; cowardly I admit, but probably more practical. Californy is not ready for a Tom McClintock(God bless him). Not yet.

I believe both parties are involved in the secularization of America and the marginalization of our Christian heritage. The pubbies stand by and DO NOTHING while the courts make illegal ruling after illegal ruling!

Not to mention, unconstitutional. And, what would you have Pubbies do? Most of these judges are appointed for life and it's virtually impossible to impeach the scoundrels. And the Daschle/Leahy cartel won't allow any real conservative judicial appointees to even get an up or down vote. I'll give the Pubbies credit for trying, but it's a formidable enemy we're up against; the tactics may appear less than honorable....I dunno.

If you can give me the names of more than 2 Congressmen who follow the Constitution, I'll eat my hat!

What kinda hat? ;^)

However, I agree with you about the press - they are propagandists along the lines of Joseph Goebbels.

Yes indeedy. The effectiveness of Goebbels was not lost on our antagonists. Ironic.

FGS

201 posted on 10/16/2003 10:21:10 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Sometimes small steps are better than overstepping; cowardly I admit, but probably more practical. Californy is not ready for a Tom McClintock(God bless him). Not yet.

Sorry, but it was a moral compromise for any Christian to vote for Arnold. Truth doesn't change and I vote according to moral truth, not according to what benefits a certain candidate may reap in the future. As a Christian I am to vote for the RIGHT candidate and leave the future up to God. I NEVER vote for secular humanists - I don't care what party they belong to. John Jay said we should vote ONLY for Christians - I follow that advice and believe in it. Arnold is pro-abort and pro-gay - abominations in my bible.

Not to mention, unconstitutional. And, what would you have Pubbies do? Most of these judges are appointed for life and it's virtually impossible to impeach the scoundrels. And the Daschle/Leahy cartel won't allow any real conservative judicial appointees to even get an up or down vote. I'll give the Pubbies credit for trying, but it's a formidable enemy we're up against; the tactics may appear less than honorable....I dunno.

They can (1) impeach bad judges, (2) use the Exclusion Clause in the Constitution to limit court power. They have done neither. They are either spineless jellyfish or unprincipled leaders - either way they are worthless.

202 posted on 10/16/2003 10:28:35 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
I live in California and my Christian friends and I all voted for McClintock because of his support for the Traditional Family and his Pro-Life stance.

There is no way a Pro-Life; Pro-Traditional Family believer in Jesus Christ could support a person who holds the opposing views.

The worshippers of the god Moloch, who sacrificed their firstborn children for financial prosperity, are alive and well in their votes for Ahh-nold. How people can miss this shows the spiritual discernment of many in our Republican Party.

God will judge us as He judge those doing the same things in the Old Testament.

This message needs to get out so that people will know their accountability for their heinous decisions.
203 posted on 10/16/2003 11:06:28 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: kattracks
When america is deporting GOD, INSTEAD of illegal aliens, one has to wonder how long we can last in that state of repair... not only are we deporting God, we're murdering babies on a grander scale than the Aztecs or the Amalikites or Hitler or Stalin even, ever did...

My fetus, I mean sister, is a 7 month premmie....now 50+yr old...

204 posted on 10/16/2003 11:07:56 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: bondserv
There is no way a Pro-Life; Pro-Traditional Family believer in Jesus Christ could support a person who holds the opposing views.

And we all said...Amen!

205 posted on 10/16/2003 11:09:07 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
Sorry, but it was a moral compromise for any Christian to vote for Arnold.

Agreed, but I would submit that life is full of compromises, even for believers. In fact, voting for McClintock would have been a compromise would it not; he's not perfect. Jesus wasn't running for governor of Californy. We do the best we can in a world in which the evil one runs amok.

They can (1) impeach bad judges, (2) use the Exclusion Clause in the Constitution to limit court power.

Good grief marine, they can't even get their own judges approved. You might submit they aren't fighting hard enough, but I personally don't know what else they could do. BTW, would you cite the exclusion clause you refer to?

FGS

206 posted on 10/16/2003 11:18:43 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: exmarine
God was seriously ticked enough to have the Israelis slaughter completely, the worshippers of Moloch for their sacrificing of babies, and completely destroy Sodom & Gomorrah for it's anti-family perversions.

People treat these issues much to cavalierly. This has me very concerned for our future.
207 posted on 10/16/2003 11:20:28 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: ForGod'sSake
voting for McClintock would have been a compromise would it not; he's not perfect. Jesus wasn't running for governor of Californy. We do the best we can in a world in which the evil one runs amok.

No, the moral choice was clear. You cannot make a biblical case that voting for the Christian candidate was wrong, but I can easily make a case that voting for Ahh-nold was wrong. Please, do not try to rationalize this sin.

208 posted on 10/16/2003 11:22:47 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: ForGod'sSake
BTW, would you cite the exclusion clause you refer to?

Actually, I misspoke - it is the Exceptions Clause. It's in article 3 and it enumerates certain cases over which the federal judiciary would have original jurisdiction, "with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make." Look it up.

209 posted on 10/16/2003 11:45:42 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: kattracks
In said second civil war, here's what the boundaries would look like:


210 posted on 10/16/2003 11:53:02 AM PDT by BSunday
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To: BSunday
AWWW! We lose Hawaii.
211 posted on 10/16/2003 12:32:16 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Oh well, I don't need to go anywhere I can't drive my pickup. ;)
212 posted on 10/16/2003 12:35:20 PM PDT by BSunday
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To: BSunday
Or as Uncle Calvin would say "Every time you cross the water you risk not coming back. I ain't going cause I kinda like sitting by the river near my house."
213 posted on 10/16/2003 12:39:05 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: exmarine
No, the moral choice was clear.

I ask again, McClintock is perfect? If not, you compromised, agree or disagree; clear moral choice notwithstanding.

You cannot make a biblical case that voting for the Christian candidate was wrong, but I can easily make a case that voting for Ahh-nold was wrong.

I may have missed something along the way, but is Ahnold an atheist? I heard him say "God bless Kelliforneeia" at the end of his acceptance(?) speech. Did he mean it? I have to admit, I don't know his religious beliefs; maybe you do?

Please, do not try to rationalize this sin.

That's not my intent even if it comes across that way. Nor is it my intent to start another internal civil war on this thread. Hold tight to your beliefs; they may not get your guy elected next time, but they will get you into heaven.

God bless,

FGS

214 posted on 10/16/2003 12:59:30 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
I may have missed something along the way, but is Ahnold an atheist? I heard him say "God bless Kelliforneeia" at the end of his acceptance(?) speech. Did he mean it? I have to admit, I don't know his religious beliefs; maybe you do?

No Christian I have ever met supports killing babies and destroying the family. So, I don't know who is God is, but his beliefs indicate it's not the same as mine.

That's not my intent even if it comes across that way. Nor is it my intent to start another internal civil war on this thread. Hold tight to your beliefs; they may not get your guy elected next time, but they will get you into heaven.

All of life is spiritual friend, and Jesus is Lord over ALL OF IT. Apparently, for some Christians he was not Lord over their vote.

215 posted on 10/16/2003 1:01:45 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
I'm NEVER gonna get my storage building cleaned up! But I wanted to take a crack at this one:

No Christian I have ever met supports killing babies and destroying the family.

Something I find absolutely amazing is this, nearly 40% of professing Christians vote for.........Democrats! Now THAT is a serious disconnect.

FGS

216 posted on 10/16/2003 1:13:19 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: river rat
Well, you do gotta point there about the target rich environment!
217 posted on 10/16/2003 3:40:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Just lift the drawbridge when you see me comin.
218 posted on 10/16/2003 3:43:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks; All; madfly; txflake; mhking; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; JohnHuang2; Mudboy Slim; ...
I walked through a county courthouse square,
On a park bench an old man was sitting there.
I said, "Your old courthouse is kinda run down."
He said, "Naw, it'll do for our little town."
I said, "Your old flagpole has leaned a little bit,
And that's a Ragged Old Flag you got hanging on it."

He said, "Have a seat," and I sat down.
"Is this the first time you've been to our little town?"
I said, "I think it is." He said, "I don't like to brag,
But we're kinda proud of that Ragged Old Flag.

"You see, we got a little hole in that flag there when
Washington took it across the Delaware.
And it got powder-burned the night Francis Scott Key
Sat watching it writing Say Can You See.
And it got a bad rip in New Orleans
With Packingham and Jackson tuggin' at its seems.

"And it almost fell at the Alamo
Beside the Texas flag, but she waved on though.
She got cut with a sword at Chancellorsville
And she got cut again at Shiloh Hill.
There was Robert E. Lee, Beauregard, and Bragg,
And the south wind blew hard on that Ragged Old Flag.

"On Flanders Field in World War I
She got a big hole from a Bertha gun.
She turned blood red in World War II.
She hung limp and low by the time it was through.
She was in Korea and Vietnam.
She was sent where she was by her Uncle Sam.

"She waved from our ships upon the briny foam,
And now they've about quit waving her back here at home.
In her own good land here she's been abused --
She's been burned, dishonored, denied, and refused.

"And the government for which she stands
Is scandalized throughout the land.
And she's getting threadbare and wearing thin,
But she's in good shape for the shape she's in.
'Cause she's been through the fire before
And I believe she can take a whole lot more.

"So we raise her up every morning, take her
down every night.
We don't let her touch the ground and we fold
her up right.
On second thought, I do like to brag,
'Cause I'm mighty proud of the Ragged Old Flag."

Ragged Old Flag ---Johnny Cash

219 posted on 10/16/2003 3:48:09 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit. -Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Travis McGee
Mind the drawbridge lads,
McGee may be headed our way!
oops!


;^)

220 posted on 10/16/2003 5:00:39 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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