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Disagree.
I’m for a very strong alliance with Israel, but no more aid. And that means for ALL. NO EXCEPTIONS!
It’s both in many instances. But Ben Shapiro and others spent more time demonizing people like Megyn Kelly (who Charlie Kirk is on record with sharing frustration with re: binary stances on Israel) — Shapiro attacked her instead of Hamas or saying anything remotely positive about Israel and US policy towards it. Don’t recall him praising President Trump either for the peace deal.
I pay little attention to what Israel does or doesn’t do. But I give them a huge amount of credit only because pro muzzie terrorists and other assorted democrats hate the Jews so much.
It’s both. There are some who simpy question American policy towards Israel, but there are others who just hate/disike Jews. Both groups definitely exist.
Agree. Israel routinely exploits and abuses American good will.
Good job, JD.
JD nails it here, in my opinion. The reason is simple, much like the US is not a uniform political body that only ever points in a single direction, but rather changes direction based on who is currently in power, Israel is likewise also controlled by the whims of whoever is in charge at that moment in time. In fact their political system is even more unstable than ours, with votes of no confidence etc often changing the political winds in advance of scheduled elections.
And one can be critical of whoever the leader of Israel is, at that moment in time, without being antisemitic. This should be a simple concept, as there are often hundreds of thousands of Jews protesting in the streets of Israel, in protest of their own leaders at times, without being considered antisemitic.
We used to recognize this, with regard to George Soros, and point out how ridiculous it was to claim we were being antisemitic by protesting Soros, whether he was a Jew, or not. But somehow that has been forgotten, and even attacks against Soros are now suddenly antisemitic simply because he claims to be a Jew.
I’m certainly not defending true antisemitism, just pointing out in many cases it’s no different than how the term racist here in the US is commonly overused and abused.
There is actually a third group—almost never discussed here.
They hold no malice towards Israel or average Jewish people.
They hate Jewish billionaires that put their thumbs on the scale to influence American domestic and foreign policy.
Many FReepers view the Russia-Ukraine war as a good vs evil thing. They have differing views on who’s good and evil.
But, broadly, except for some extremists, NOBODY wants one penny from the US Treasury going to either cesspool of a country.
And the same is said for sending US soldiers to R-UK, and I’d also include sending any military equipment for free.
The same can - and should - be said for Israel and Hamas, AND Israel and Iran (though Israel is not a cesspool from what visitors have relayed to me).
Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization and what they did is worthy of bone-crushing retaliation by Israel. And free the hostages.
The govt of Iran is equally repulsive.
Beyond that, as with Russia-Ukraine, I wish the innocent party Israel all the best. Go get ‘em. But no $ or treasure or ordnance.
As with Russia-Ukraine, people should feel free to Venmo as much as they want to Israel. They can even pay for a ticket to fly to Gaza or Jerusalem and help out.
But if people are consistent, they should not want any of our tax/borrowed money or soldiers or “free” bombs etc. going ANYWHERE outside of the USA.
That’s doesn’t make them antisemitic.
The problem is that Some People use anti-Zionism and criticism of the govt of Israel as camo for their Antisemitism.
Netenyahu is a Nationalist. It is there deep state that is globalist.
Agreed, unfortunately they are likely going to sign a new 20 year deal with Israel, guaranteeing that we pay them billions in Military Aid every year for the next 20 years.
Yeah gee, I wonder where all these people get the idea that our government is Israel first? It must be antisemitism or something
Definitely. And while I understand the need to call out hate, I wish a more substantive discussion re: US foreign policy were had over the weekend instead of some of the toxic back and forth. I’m sure many of the students in the audience are still sorting their views out with regard to the matter in a rational fashion.
“Agreed, unfortunately they are likely going to sign a new 20 year deal with Israel, guaranteeing that we pay them billions in Military Aid every year for the next 20 years.”
It’s insane.
We are 38 trillion dollars in debt.
They hate Christians too. Is that because of U.S. foreign policy?
Jews are an infinitesimal part of the population—considered too few in number for standardized
polling——— because they make up such an insignificant percentage of the US population.
Standard national polls-——without telling you-——use extraordinary methods to ensure adequate representation which makes it appear Jews are numerous when Congressional funding issues loom.
Here is how polling on the Jewish population works:
The total U.S. Jewish population is insignificant .......a minuscule fraction of the overall
US population.......too paltry a number to study with standard methodology.
Major research organizations, such as the American Jewish Population Project at Brandeis University, conduct targeted surveys specifically to analyze Jewish Americans’ views and demographics.
Methodology: To get statistically significant results for a smaller demographic like Jews, pollsters use techniques like:
Oversampling: Including using a larger number of Jewish individuals in a survey sample than would occur by pure random chance, and then weighting the results back to their correct proportion in the overall population for national estimates.
Targeted Sampling: Using commercial lists or focusing on geographic areas (such as specific counties in New York, Florida, or Pennsylvania) where large Jewish populations reside to reach potential respondents.
Political Insignificance: The Jewish vote is considered insignificant in U.S. politics, particularly in swing states or districts with unseemly high Jewish populations, but Jews high voter registration and turnout rates and voting patterns leaning Democratic, have nuances across different Jewish subgroups, making their vote an area of analysis for funding and political strategies.
While they are a tiny insignificant minority group, the Jewish population is routinely polled using extraordinary statistical methods to get their opinions and voting behavior.
An “Israel first” political strategy that harms America is intensely
debated among foreign policy experts, politicians, and the tax-paying public.
Arguments that it Harms America. Critics of an “Israel first”
approach argue that it harms U.S. interests in several ways:
<><>Regional Instability: Unconditional U.S. support emboldens Israel to take maximalist positions that escalate conflicts in the Middle East, such as encouraging tax dollar paid settlements in the West Bank or engaging in military actions that invite retaliation against U.S. forces or interests.
<><>Erosion of U.S. Credibility: By consistently using its diplomatic power, such as the UN Security Council veto, to shield Israel from international criticism, the U.S. can be seen as undermining the international legal order and damaging its global standing and credibility as an impartial arbiter of human rights and international law.
<><>Risk to U.S. Personnel: Escalation of regional tensions due to Israeli actions can put American troops stationed in the region at greater risk of attack from state or non-state actors who view the U.S. as inextricably linked to Israeli policy.
<><>Missed Opportunities for Broader Alliances: A focus solely on the Israeli partnership might hinder the U.S. from building more balanced and comprehensive alliances with other Middle Eastern nations that could offer broader strategic benefits, such as in the competition with China or Russia.
<><>Domestic Political Costs: The policy has become increasingly divisive in American domestic politics, leading to internal debates and shifts in public opinion, which could have long-term political consequences and US tax subsidization of Israel’s every whim.
Vance doing a good job threading the needle. This will definitely be an issue in ‘28 and he knows it. And obviously being against Netanyahu’s policies in Gaza doesn’t make on antisemitic despite what some of the idiots on here say.
We give too much aid to everybody. I wish President Trump would end all of it, in favor of loans.
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