Biden Administration Supports Reparations Study As New Bill Is Introduced In Congress

The Political Insider ^ | Becky Noble

[TPIDerek]

President Joe Biden’s administration is lending support to a study of reparations for African-Americans, with the effort part of new Democratic legislation to create a commission on the controversial issue.

The Associated press reported on Wednesday that a House panel heard testimony on a bill to create the commission that would examine the history of slavery in the U.S. and offer solutions, like reparations.

According to Reuters, Biden stated last year that “we must acknowledge that there can be no realization of the American dream without grappling with the original sin of slavery, and the centuries-long campaign of violence, fear, and trauma wrought upon Black people in this country.”

[Bob434]

I’ve provided you with link after link, and for you to keep insisting there is zero records is nonsense. You can read them or keep lying. Your denial is more like that of the holocaust deniers, not my citing fact d fella. I’ve provided you with the wants, you stick your fi gers I. Your ears and shout “nuh uh”. That sir is what holocaust deniers do in the face of evidence. You can read about the historical records or not, but you y r claim that there were no Irish slaves in America is pure liberal propaganda garbage. I have provided plenty of links by actual historians to put the lie to your caim.

[[Of course, those records don’t lie, but racist mythologizers can easily lie plenty about them.]

Prove that their info is lies. You are making the accusations, back it up. Your links are liberal nonsense that IGNORE, the court records, diaries, eyewitness accounts and on record statements by kings, governors and people fro m that time. That is your proof, if you doubt it, and are ca.ling the historians. Lairs. The back it up with actual historical records proving that such things never happened. .iberwl sites and stations like history channel, which knowingly and demonstrate ly bastardize history are worthless. Pointing to them as your argumentsshows how weak your argument is. Prove the historians are liars. You should be able to easily find evidence to prove what they said and recorded from did e ct testimonies are false

[Bob434]

[[ No, I’m calling you a liar because you misrepresent what they said.
There is no source — none, zero, nada — claiming as you do that “hundreds of thousands” of “Irish slaves” were “indentured for life” and their slavery “inherited by children” in the 13 North American colonies.how special, calling me a liar by citing your continuing lie that thrr e is no Evidence. Do you even proof read what you say before you post? Or are you just so driven to “be right” that you will use any means incliding lYing to “win the argjment”? You have stated so e real whoppers throughout this conversation. Too many to go over. But the lie that there is zero evidence, without even reading the book I linked to first to see if you are right or not, is an incredible denial, on the .even of holocaust denial despite what you argued in the past. That you can’t even see that is telling.

[[But the Myth of Irish Slaves is a racist myth, concocted to deny the importance of African chattel slavery]]

Pure bs. They don’t deny the horrors bl a ck slavery at all. You just keep making crap up as you go and accusing the historians of pretty awful, crap, just to “win” your argument. It’s pretty shameful really.

[Magnatron]

I'm all for reparations. The Democrats should have to pay for all of the misery they've inflicted on the American black population...

[Osage Orange]

What about American Indians?

What about indentured foreign folk?

This is a farce,,,,

[Magnatron]

“I got involved in politics to begin with because of civil rights (which Democrats were opposed to) and opposition to white supremacists (Democrats), the Ku Klux Klan (Democrats). And the most dangerous people in America (Democrats) continue to exist. That is the greatest threat to terror in America: domestic terror (Antifa, BLM, Leftists, Communists, Socialists, Anarchists),” Biden said.

[Bob434]

you go from “The claim that there were irish slaves is a myth” to “There weren’t that many” To “There is zero zip nada evidence of what you are talking about” to now saying “There is zero evidence, zip zero nada of white irish children inheriting slavery” without even so much as reading the books. You’re mind is made up that they must be lying, spreading a myth- and your goalposts are constantly changing to support your ever evolving claims in the face of the cited facts- now it appears in order to be factual that there were white irish slaves in America, their children had to be enslaved for multiple generations? That’s the new goalpost now?

It’s really like trying to have a discussion with a science denier- no matter how much evidence you give them, their minds are made up, and they keep yelling “Nuh Uh”

[[Those authors may well be 100% truthful, ]]

gee- ya think?

The sites discussing the issues the authors brought up i n their books aren’t misusing anything- I’m sure they would be quite amused at you calling them liars having never read the author’s books and historical findings-

[BroJoeK]

Bob434 quoting: "Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves.
These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were.
This slavery was even hereditary.
White children born to White slaves were enslaved too."

That is 100% lies, intended to be lies for political purposes.
Sure, there's some truth behind the lies, but the author cares nothing for that.
The truth is that about half of migrants to the 13 colonies were indentured, meaning under voluntary contracts for a certain number of years to pay off their debts.
Calling such people "slaves" in the same sense as African slaves is an abuse of language, and a lie.

Bob434 quoting: "Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands."

Without doubt, convicts, prisoners and/or captives were greatly abused.
Suggestions that these included huge numbers of voluntary indentured servants are not supported by historical data.

Bob434 quoting: "The Establishment has created the misnomer of “indentured servitude” to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery.
But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves.
Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called “custom of the country,” as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves."

Such claims are not supported by historical data.

Bob434 quoting: "In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved “forever.”
The service of Whites bound to Berkeley’s Hundred was deemed “perpetual.”"

Now, we've already dealt with Sandys (see post #80) -- he lived for ten years in the original Jamestown colony, from ~1621 to ~1631.
During that time Virginia's European population grew from about 1,000 to 5,000 after the arrivals of 15,000 new settlers, many of them convicts.
Sandy's laws may have outlived him, but not by much.
What was left of them were ended by Bacon's Rebellion in 1676 -- 100 years before our Declaration of Independence.

Bob434 quoting: "...study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. "

I'd agree that some bad stuff happened in the 1600s.
We have only to mention the 1692 Salem Witch Trials to see that a lot of those people were pretty crazy.
But by the time of the Revolution in 1776, the numbers of European indentured servants were around 50,000 (2%-3% of all) while the numbers of African slaves totaled 500,000.
So, if European convicts & indentured servants ever outnumbered African slaves, that line crossed pretty early on, and never looked back.

Bob434 quoting: "Salinger reports a death rate of ten to twenty percent over the entire 18th century for Black slaves on board ships enroute to America compared with a death rate of 25% for White slaves enroute to America"

What he calls "white slaves" were, in fact, mixed companies of free men, their families, indentured servants and, potentially, prisoners.
Such voyages were hazardous in the extreme and life expectancies did not much improve on landing here, most especially in the earliest decades.

They were conditions common to life shared by everyone, of all races and national origin at that time.

[BroJoeK]

Bob434: "Oh yeah and that was really precious how you tried to explain away White slavery by questioning “when kidnapped Whites” who were made slaves by the Indians, “became part of the Indian family” or some such nonsense, as though kidnapping and terrorizing people into Stockholm syndrome complacent blobs was justifiable because they no longer fought against their captors."

As usual you missed both my reference and the point.
My reference was to the fact that slavery was part of the human condition from the very beginning, and did not even depend on civilization to make it "legal".
Young warriors attacking their neighbors to abduct women & children goes back to primitive times.
I cited two examples: in ancient Rome what's usually called, "The Rape of the Sabine Women" and in colonial America times abductions of European women by Indian braves.
In both cases captured slaves became mothers by and families of their abductors.

So, point is: if you wish to claim that "millions of Europeans" were abducted & enslaved, of course that's true, in ancient times.

But there's no evidence for such numbers in Britain's 13 American colonies.

[Bob434]

keep spinning

[BroJoeK]

"keep spinning"

Keep lying.

[Bob434]

I’m not lying- the records and links show that- denying they are genuine facts is the only lie i see around here-

[Bob434]

I’m not lying- the records and links show that- denying they are genuine facts and spinning what they say is the only lie i see around here-

[BroJoeK]

Bob434: "I’m not lying- the records and links show that- denying they are genuine facts is the only lie i see around here-"

Of course you're lying, it's all a lie, there are no "genuine facts" to make it true.

More important, it's not even a debate over history, rather it's your pseudo-history weaponized for political purposes -- you hope to launch your "Irish slaves" against Leftist lunatic reparations crowds like BLM and Antifa.

Now I confess freely, that's a pretty worthy goal, but I don't believe in fighting lies with yet more lies.
Our side must be restricted by the truth, even if their side is not, and no honest reading of history includes massive numbers of "Irish slaves" -- equivalent to African slaves --in Britain's 13 North American colonies.

For the real truth, refer to my post #93: that reparations bill has already been Paid in Full.

[Bob434]

[[Of course you’re lying, it’s all a lie, there are no “genuine facts” to make it true.]]

Keep burying your head i nthe ground- like i said- discussing this issue with you is like trying to discuss science with a science denier-

[[Our side must be restricted by the truth,]]

That’s precious ignominy form someone denying the truth- denying the historical records

keep on spinning- but the truth is recorded in history- the very history leftist deniers can’t accept-

[Bob434]

[[there are no “genuine facts” to make it true.]]

The ONLY ones lacking genuine facts are the leftist deniers who for political reasons claim that none of it happened- when everyone around at the time, going through it= knew damn well it was happening-

The left are trying to cover it up- and you sir are part of the cover up-

[Bob434]

[[and no honest reading of history includes massive numbers of “Irish slaves” — equivalent to African slaves]]

You just cant stop with the lies, misrepresentations and distortions can you? Point to where i said Irish slaves outnumbered African?

The Irish were not the only white slaves in America- You’d better bone up on your history- Heck, i even gave you references to articles that showed that white slaves came from all over- not just Ireland- and nowhere are we talking about exclusively in America- White folks have been laves fro a very very long time, all over the world- not just here i nthe US- however, there was a massive white slave trade here i nthe US too- despite the idiotic false narrative that they were all almost exclusively ‘indentured servants working off their debts”- Everyone involved in the salve trade, and all the white slaves back then dispute that idiotic modern day bastardization of history—

How many times are you gonna move the goalposts? It’s becoming comical really-

[[but I don’t believe in fighting lies with yet more lies.]]

Sure you do- you are lying about what happened to the white slaves in America- claiming they weren’t slaves at all- when the records show they were- If you can’t see that- then there isn’t much hope for you- don’t claim you don’t fight with lies- you most certainly do

[BroJoeK]

Bob434: "Keep burying your head i nthe ground- like i said- discussing this issue with you is like trying to discuss science with a science denier-"

Our denier here is you, FRiend, and we can begin with this: you neither read nor responded to any of my seven links in post #90.
All you did was blast away with ad hominins against them.
You never bothered to address the issues they raised.

That's what deniers do.

Bob434: "That’s precious ignominy form someone denying the truth- denying the historical records
keep on spinning- but the truth is recorded in history- the very history leftist deniers can’t accept-"

Sorry FRiend, but we just don't fight lies with yet more lies, and it's a flat-out lie to claim that massive numbers of "Irish slaves" were shipped to the 13 colonies and held in multi-generational bondage equivalent to African slaves.

That never happened and it's a lie to claim otherwise.

[Bob434]

[[ Sorry FRiend, but we just don’t fight lies with yet more lies, ]]

Sure you do. You are doing it here. Denying that the records show what they show. Just like science deniers do when confronted by evidence. Don’t pretend otherwise. Everyone back then k ew it was happening, vro the slaves themselves e s, to the black slaves, to the owners. To the courts, to the governors, to the kings. Urging your head In the sand won’t make it go away

[BroJoeK]

Bob434: "Denying that the records show what they show."

No record shows what you claim, period.

Bob434: "Everyone back then k ew it was happening, vro the slaves themselves e s, to the black slaves, to the owners.
To the courts, to the governors, to the kings.
Urging your head In the sand won’t make it go away"

Your word, "it", is a short term which can mean pretty much anything.
If by "it" you mean ~55,000 prisoners shipped to 13 colonies over 170 years (meaning about 25 per colony per year) then a case might be made -- especially since most died within a few years, "prisoners for life" might be called "slaves for life".
Those prisoners are recognized by history, though they were certainly not all Irish.

But if by "it" you refer to immigrations of about 240,000 voluntary indentured servants, then that's a problem, since there are no records showing they were massively abused, much less that their indentures ever became inherited.
What history does show is that by 1776 indentured servants totaled about 50,000 of the United States' 2 million Europeans.

Indeed, if it were ever true that "hundreds of thousands" of European immigrants to the 13 colonies were ever held in "perpetual slavery", then how, when & where does history record they were finally freed?
It doesn't, of course, because no such slavery ever existed.

[Bob434]

[[You never bothered to address the issues they raised]]

“Nuh uh, never happened” is t a valid counter argument to the historical records. There was nothing g to respond to. They didn’t address the records at all, al, the did was spout the usual tired out tripe that white supremacists were trying to change history.

People citing historical records to show white slavery existed are not the ones trying to change history. The left who have the political agenda are the ones trying to bastardize the history by denying it ever happened DESPITR CLEAR RECORDS that it did.

[[That’s what deniers do.]]

Sorry, but it is the agenda driven liberal crowd denying the historical records. Part of their idiotic denials is that “because there are no modern day links or records in books that the historians can point to, the narrative of white slavery is false”

Seriously? That’s just moronic, and yes, that is exact.y what the left are claiming on many sites that claim to refute the evidence.

You see what is happejing? The, eft change history, just like they are still doing today by destroying monuments, destroying narratives fro the past that they don’t like, then they run the moronic claim that because no modern day writings contain such claims, then it never happened, despite what the actual historical records claim

This is called gaslighting, and it’s a nefarious tactic of the left to bu,be, people into disbelieving what they know to be true your links are nothing but liberal trash.

.ets take the first one in your recent post from “World” site. NOTHING in that article refutes anything written by the historians, instead they try to claim that some memes kn the internet weren’t true. Seriously? That is their argument? Memes that had nothing to do with the books written on the subject?

That whole article was nothing but personal, liberal agenda driven opinion. They provided no historical records to back up anything he opined about, whereas the writers on white slaves provided all kinds of resources references, records, personal diary entries, statements by governors, kings, slave owners slaves themselves etc.

I’m not interested In some liberals personal opinions and fal see e claims that the historical records have been “debunked” whe they haven’t. They provided no Evi de nice that the records, conversTions of governors, s.ave owners, slaves, kings etc have been debunked. People looking to hide history often falesly clzimit has been debunked without providing any proof whatsoever that it has.

Here’s from the second site

[[Historians say the idea of Irish slaves is based on a misreading of history and that the distortion is often politically motivated. Far-right memes have taken off online and are used as racist barbs against African-Americans. “The Irish were slaves, too,” the memes often say. “We got over it, so why can’t you?”]]

Again, another liberal agenda driven site that obsessed about memes and tries to use them to disprove what actually happened. The site also tried to “debunk” the Irish slave facts by implying that because some have falsely used incident sthat were not Irish related, then all the historical records must be false too

That is your Evidence? Again, the sit e is very heavy on personal, opinion an innuendo, not evidence

There. As I said, your inks are agenda driven liberal trash sites. Show me the proof that the historical records writtrnagout int the books have been debunked. So far you give me sites laddened with personal opinions and hyperbole.