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Why the Democrats don't need an overhaul
The Los Angeles Times ^ | December 11, 2016 | David Greenberg

Posted on 12/11/2016 5:59:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Until Nov. 8, everyone talked as if the presidential election would hinge on smallest incident: a killer ad, a fatal gaffe, an October surprise. But now, in the emerging conventional wisdom, tactics are suddenly deemed unimportant, as we rush to propound big theories about What It All Means. We now hear that Donald Trump’s victory — which he is calling, preposterously, a landslide — was the result of the grand tide of history, a thundering declaration of Vox Populi: Identity politics is dead. Populism is ascendant. #WhiteWorkersMatter. The people want change.

The Democratic Party, without question, has lessons to learn and adjustments to make to win next time. But to interpret Hillary Clinton’s loss as a wipe-out by an inexorable tide instead of what it actually was — a contingent loss that could easily have gone the other way — risks prescribing a cure for the party that would be worse than the disease.

Trump’s gains among the white working class have convinced many Democratic leaders and pundits that the party now has to run hard to the populist left if it is ever to win again. Signs are everywhere. Rep. Keith Ellison — one of the party’s most left-wing members in Congress, one of a handful to endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders for president — remains the favorite for Democratic National Committee chair. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, nobody’s idea of a centrist, had to withstand a challenge for her post by Tim Ryan, a minor congressman from Ohio, who pushed his flyover cred and jobs, jobs, jobs....

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TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 114th; agenda; democrats; dnc; dncstrategy; hillary; trump; trumptransition; whistlepastgraveyard; whites
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They don’t need an overhaul. . .they need a u-haul to haul themselves and their belongings out of the country as they promised if Trump won. How is that going anyway?


21 posted on 12/11/2016 6:52:56 PM PST by Maudeen (No one on this earth is too far gone for Jesus.)
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To: exDemMom

Trump missed an number of opportunities to push home his points. Instead of tweeting about overweight beauty queens, he could have pointed out that as long as illegal immigrants are available, uneducated black men will never be able to get jobs or advance themselves. He could have pointed out that employers will always prefer workers who will work hard for low wages in poor conditions, and that this is unfair to US citizens whose ancestors came hundreds of years ago.

All he would have had to do is point out what is going on:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/lawsuit-alleges-discrimination-against-blacks-at-national-job-agency.html

“The code words were in Spanish because “all of the managers” who refused to hire African-Americans were Hispanic, Ms. Ceja said. Some would try to conceal their request by saying they wanted only employees who listened to 107.9 FM, a Spanish-language radio station in the Chicago area. “That was a code word for us to only send Mexicans,” she said.”

A well-organized Trump who had facts like this at his fingertips would have wiped the floor with Hillary. This was a golden opportunity to strip the Dems of half their black voters, leaving them with a ragtag group of radicals and college professors.


22 posted on 12/11/2016 6:53:19 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

If only he’d had you to give advice...he might have won.


23 posted on 12/11/2016 7:00:45 PM PST by gogeo (That's my Trumpy!)
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To: All

First off - let’s not get cocky. Second, never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Third just a few numbers so we know where we are... 45% of Americans live in states where the Republicans have control of both the legislature AND the state governorship. 14% of Americans live in states where DemocRATs have both.

What this means is its time to deliver guys. NOT time to slow down. 2018 will be time to expand our lead in the Senate, the House and the states. It’s not time to compromise or get scared off of our agenda. The globalists are NOT our friends. Beat them like a rented mule.


24 posted on 12/11/2016 7:01:14 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, it needs to be shot in the head and put out of its — and our — misery.


25 posted on 12/11/2016 7:04:13 PM PST by IronJack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the LA Times is right. I suggest they put Hillary up again in 2020, she’d beat Trump then. They should also install Keith Ellison as DNC head and keep featuring Nancy Pelosi. Good on you, DNC and good on you, LA Times!


26 posted on 12/11/2016 7:06:39 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Add to Trump’s coalition the unemployed, under employed, and underpaid Democrat voters who all become better off under Trump, and you’ll see a real landslide of all shapes, colors, gender self selections and politics.


27 posted on 12/11/2016 7:06:42 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (WaPo: A Fake News Site by their own admission.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems as though most of the readers in the comments section get the big picture. Of course it could be a bunch of our people trolling that site. That said, I think more than a few rank and file Democrats know they’re in bigger trouble than their party leaders and the lapdog media would care to admit.


28 posted on 12/11/2016 7:08:21 PM PST by dowcaet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dems don’t need an overhaul. They need to go the way of the Whigs to be replaced by a rational opposition party.


29 posted on 12/11/2016 7:36:07 PM PST by ItsOnlyDaryl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
THIS IS WHY DEMOCRATS LOST
30 posted on 12/11/2016 8:22:50 PM PST by Hildy ("The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." Orwell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Napoleon said, "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

31 posted on 12/11/2016 8:31:43 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

David, keep drinking the Flavor-ade. Check the electoral result map lately? You should. The Dems needs to move back to the center.


32 posted on 12/11/2016 8:44:13 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is DEPLORABLE :-))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep thinking like this asswipe and you’ll be out of a job very soon. Even the stupids in the Party know that they screwed up royally and paid a heavy price for it.

Time to get with the program, Mr. Stupid.


33 posted on 12/11/2016 10:14:26 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ESAD ‘rats/retrogressives/criminals/deceivers/scumbags/socialists/tyrants/totalitarians.


34 posted on 12/11/2016 10:21:43 PM PST by PGalt (CONGRATULATIONS Donald J. Trump)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By all means continue the present path until oblivion!


35 posted on 12/11/2016 11:00:50 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: txhurl

I also worked with a psychopath. I knew she was one because after describing her behavior to a shrink, this is what I was told.

I bought a book “Without Conscience” by Robert D Hare. Once I started reading it, I could not put it down, as everything this guy said fit this lady. I used to think a psychopath was a Ted Bundy type mass murderer. I learned that a small percentage are killers. Dr Hare did say in his book they are a sub species.

This lady did not lie as much as the narcissist I mentioned. Her primary too was her charm. She eventually threatened my life, broke into our home a couple times to prove she could carry it out, but never got beyond threats and intimidation. She was very successful at manipulating others into working against me.

One somewhat amusing thing about her, is sex was one of her tools. When ever she’d get mad at her husband, she’d find some guy to go have sex with as a way of getting back. She always did it at work, which is why it was so obvious to co-workers, but never to her husband as all of her time was accounted for by him. She was very cunning.

The two most vile personalities are narcissists & psychopaths.


36 posted on 12/12/2016 3:40:50 AM PST by redfreedom (The nation has been saved. Thank you Dear Lord. Long live President Trump!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrat leaders who are actually left wing communist agitators need to be tried and executed for treason, sedition, crimes against the American people and failing to keep their oath of office.


37 posted on 12/12/2016 5:01:25 AM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: proxy_user

Then why did you poltical god Cruz lose?


38 posted on 12/12/2016 5:03:14 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Trump discriminates against non-successful people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By all means Democrats, don’t change a thing. Double down. Why not name a radical left-wing Muslim to head your party? Along with San Fran Nan they can be the faces of the party. That will help you hang onto the 25 Democrat Senate seats up for reelection in 2018, many in states Trump won. Yay!


39 posted on 12/13/2016 2:53:57 PM PST by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: proxy_user

Yeah so “shaky” he annihilated 16 other Pubs and took states Pubs haven’t won in decades. What other Pub could have won PA, WI and MI?


40 posted on 12/13/2016 2:56:45 PM PST by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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