Skip to comments.Polls show Gary Johnson taking more support from Clinton, not Trump
Posted on 08/03/2016 9:21:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Theres always been this notion the Libertarian Party is just full of Republicans who want to smoke pot. Its one of the dumbest stereotypes out there because theres so much more to libertarianism than people realize. Libertarians believe in a much smaller federal government than the GOP does, focusing on free trade vs. endless wars, and letting consenting adults do what they want to do in the bedroom. This isnt stopping Republicans from pushing the entire, A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary Clinton, claim. Even Larry OConnor (who is a smart guy, and has a great taste in ties and cigars) falls into this fallacy.
Gary Johnson and William Weld were Republicans (more than just in name only) when they held public office. They embrace the small government ethos that drives much of the Republican principles (although not necessarily their actual legislative history) and the voters they tend to draw would find themselves more naturally in the GOP side of things come November 8.
They are obviously the third party option for center-right voters in America.
But what about the fourth party? What about the Green Party? Wheres CNNs big, prime time town hall event for the Greenies?
Nothing on the schedule. Is it any surprise? The Green Party is to the Democrats what the Libertarian Party is to the Republicans. If presidential candidate Jill Stein draws any votes (and at the moment they attract 3.5% of the vote which is enough to change things in certain critical states this November) shell be drawing them from voters who generally identify with the Dems.
Larry ends his piece with an ominous you know why when asking why CNN isnt doing a Green Party town hall. Larrys implication is that CNN will host a Libertarian town hall because they too believe that will harm Republicans, and that they do not want to damage Democrats by staging a Green Party town hall and maybe thats CNNs intent, too. But that mistakes the trends of this cycle, and also disregards the differences in standing between the alternative parties that will be in play in this election.
The Libertarian Party is the only third party which will (probably) be on all the ballot in all 50 states. A Libertarian Party spokesperson confirmed to me they expect to be on the ballot in every state, plus Washington DC. The Green Party is on the ballot in only 23 states (plus DC), and may or may not make the other states. A spokesperson said theyre shooting for more states than in 2012, when they were on the ballot in 37 states. The Constitution Party is on the ballot in 18 or so states and working on more. Ballot access is a major factor in giving the Libertarian Party the edge over all other third parties.
Theres also the fact the Libertarian ticket of Gary Johnson and Bill Weld is actually taking more votes away from Clinton, than Trump. Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com found this:
The majority of pollsters (12) have Clintons margin over Trump shrinking when at least one third-party candidate is included. The difference in margins, however, varies among pollsters, and a few, such as Ipsos, have Clintons lead rising by the tiniest of bits when at least Johnson is included. Overall, including third-party candidates takes about 1 percentage point away from Clintons margin, on average.
Johnson had a pretty good explanation why hes taking votes from Clinton. Via Los Angeles Times:
Well I think thats the social side of this. Choice. A womans right to choose. Marriage equality. Lets stop dropping bombs. This is also appealing to Bernie voters crony capitalism, it is alive and well. Having been governor of New Mexico, [I know that] legislation gets passed that benefits those who have money and influence and they buy more money and influence. In New Mexico I may have vetoed more legislation as governor of New Mexico than all the other governors in the country combined. Seven hundred and fifty bills, thousands of line items, but a lot of those vetoes were [about] this level-playing field. Heres this concept of advantage. Theres a piece of legislation sitting in front of me, and it gives somebody an advantage. And I vetoed that kind of stuff. Or I tried to veto as much of it as I could.
The cronyism statement should ring pretty hard for conservatives and Bernie Sanders supporters who find it anathema for the government to pick winners and losers. Johnsons anti-cronyism statement is probably the best hes sounded in this campaign. In fact, its probably the best interview hes ever given. His belief in not being Team America: World Police, is also appealing to Sanders supporters who arent interested in endless war. CNN even had a poll showing Johnson was the second choice of Sanders voters of all other candidates.
Sanders supporters (in CNN):
Clinton fave: 59/36 Trump fave: 5/90 2-way: HRC 91%, Trump 6% 4-way: HRC 69%, Johnson 13%, Stein 10%, Trump 3%
Taniel (@Taniel) August 1, 2016
So lets stop with this ridiculous notion that all Johnson does is take votes away from Trump. The facts show its a pretty even split or more votes are taken from Clinton. But it also doesnt mean Johnson is some leftist looking to install a bunch of new social programs and increase government spending. Here he is to LA Times on taxes:
Well, Im under the belief that the more money you have the more you consume. And that money is about consumption to a degree, and it also is about savings, but it would promote savings, and thats my belief. No more capital gains, I mean, no more taxes other than the one federal consumption tax
What is genuinely needed when it comes to healthcare is a free-market approach, recognizing that healthcare right now is about as far removed from the free market as it could be. I reject the notion that in a free-market approach to healthcare we would have insurance to cover ongoing medical need. We would have insurance to cover ourselves for catastrophic injury and illness and we would pay as you go for a system that I believe would be absolutely affordable. How affordable? Maybe a fifth of what it currently costs. I think we would have Stitches R Us. I think we would have Galbladders R Us. I think we would have X-rays R Us. You would have advertised pricing. Youd have advertised outcomes.
So there you go: Johnson is going to appeal to those who are fiscally conservative and socially tolerant/liberal/libertarian/what have you. Neither Trump or Clinton are either of those, they just happen to be the ones who are on the major party tickets. CNN is simply giving the electorate the chance to pick Option 3. If Option 4 were on the ballot in all 50 states, Im sure CNN would be willing to talk to them too. Giving the electorate more options isnt a bad thing.
Need to be promoting Green Party candidate Jill Stein, she is a time-bomb in Hilliary’s butt.
Ideology gets you nowhere.
People also want to vote for a winner and they know the Libertarian candidate isn’t going to be one.
losertarians be wack.
Don't bogart that vote, my friend.
It sounds like the Bernies are feeling the Johnson.
A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gray Jihnson and a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein.
Johnson is just about 6 points away from the level where they have to include him in the debates.
He’s taking Hillary votes and we know the Green Party won’t be peeling off Republican votes. I like the way this is shaping up.
Johnson is pro-abortion.
It looks even in polls I’ve seen. My thought is still a least a little more from us, But with Jill Stien thrown in we may have a net positive drain on Shillery by the third parties.
on the left coast
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