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Why are Trump voters so angry about immigration?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | June 10, 2016 | Peter Grier

Posted on 06/10/2016 4:23:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Building a wall is one of Donald Trump's big applause lines. But why? Some research surveys suggest that many Trump followers aren’t so much anti-Hispanic as they are worried about the perceived effect of immigration on their culture and pocketbooks.

Donald Trump’s supporters have negative views about immigrants, particularly those who entered the United States illegally. That’s not a news flash. Mr. Trump’s vow to build a wall along the southern border – financed by Mexico – remains one of his biggest rally applause lines.

But what, specifically, is behind this anger? Is there anything about undocumented immigration that even Trump voters see in a positive light?

We’ve run across a couple of interesting studies that bear on these questions in recent days. The first is a Pew Research “feeling thermometer” survey that shows one reason why Trump voters, even more so than Republicans in general, think immigration is bad for the US.

The reason? Trump backers appear much more likely to believe that a growing number of newcomers in the US “threatens traditional American customs and values.”

Fully 60 percent of Trump supporters have at least a “somewhat warm” response to that statement. Only 29 percent have a “somewhat cold” response, disagreeing that immigrants are threatening the cultural foundations of the US.....

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: economy; illegalimmigration; immigration; trump
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another crappy headline. It’s not “immigration.” It’s ILLEGAL immigration. Idiots.


61 posted on 06/10/2016 8:33:06 PM PDT by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
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To: HarleyLady27

Coworker of mine has five acres in Maricopa, AZ. It is, essentially, a pedestrian Interstate from the Border. He constantly cleans up trash left behind.

Not at all unusual. Most of the foot traffic is well west of Interstate 10, through the western border of Pinal County, making its way to the west side of South Mountain (in Phoenix, proper).
62 posted on 06/10/2016 8:37:16 PM PDT by SunLakesJeff (Thank you, St. Thomas More.)
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To: USMCPOP; Stirner
The whole family is here legally, but can’t seem to get grandma in. I told them to fly her to TJ and pay someone a $1,000 to drive her over.

Do any of these bleeding hearts have row-run immigrant relatives that they have sponsored? Made sworn affidavits to support them financially above the poverty level? Seen how they come here, even the good-hearted ones, and act just about like they did in their home country - ignorant of local customs, driving regulations, taxes, rabies shots for their little doggie or whatever?

There is an important and inevitable connection between those two related statements. "Grandma" and her family are part of the problem. I would like to see a single documented case of the last 40 years of a relative or friend sponsoring a relative and promising to support them permanently without creating a new permanent welfare charge for the American taxpayer.

This creates millions of potential "illegal" charges, enabled by a legislature driven by activists, who forget who elected them for representation : the American Citizen taxpayer.

When the economy collapses, everybody loses, and collapse it must, because the American working, citizen taxpayer literally can't support the entire "poor" of the world wishing to enjoy a better life.

A related issue never discussed is that the Constitution was never intended to apply to foreigners, whether simply illegally in country or terrorists wishing to murder American citizens. That is irrational and suicidal. Plain common sense.

We all know that sponsorship has become an enormous sham, as well as an enormous burden.

"Grandma" will, and invariably has been, awarded all the benefits of lifetime working citizens, often obtaining Social Security (and medical) related benefits superior to native born Americans who have worked all their lives, regardless of "sponsorship."
There is an irreconcilable injustice in that.

A practice that should disappear, sooner, rather than later.

Sponsorship can be as effective if the "sponsoring" relatives support grandma by transferring the "support" funds that they promise to provide directly to the country where "grandma" is living.

I unconditionally oppose this continuing institutionalized fraud enabled by elected criminals who are never spending their own money.

63 posted on 06/10/2016 8:59:26 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: gaijin

I am forever amazed that everyone I know who thinks Trump is off the charts nuts, and a racist, xenophobe, etc. just happens to live in a very, very upscale zip code where these illegal immigrants come only to mow their lawns and clean their toilets. They don’t actually live within miles of them. Oh, no ... not that. Talk about the cheap labor express!


64 posted on 06/10/2016 9:03:57 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: central_va
People aren’t angry about immigration.
Speak for yourself.

He was speaking for himself, as is his right.
I happen to agree with him.

If you are promoting and enabling unrestricted immigration, legal AND otherwise, man up and just say so.

65 posted on 06/10/2016 9:06:47 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have been pissed off since before, during and after 1986 when Reagan signed amnesty.

And I have no animosity towards the illegal immigrants as individuals, or their race/ethnicity. I understand their motivation, but don’t want them in the country illegally.

I blame the politicians, the government agencies and businesses that hire them.


66 posted on 06/10/2016 9:11:01 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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To: central_va

Si. No problemo. I’m tryin’ too assimilate. Oh, you mean them.


67 posted on 06/10/2016 9:33:15 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I find it interesting that the Christian Science Monitor would be stupid enough to run the article with that stupid a question. Here’s a few:
According to Town hall, illegal immigrant households receive an average of $5,692 in federal welfare benefits every year, far more than the average “native” American household, at $4,431, according to a new report on the cost of immigration released Monday. The total cost is over $103 billion in welfare benefits to households headed by immigrants.

According to CNN, the latest estimate of the number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States, is 11.2 million. It peaked in 2007, according to Pew, when there were an estimated 12.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the country. But since 2009, it’s “remained essentially unchanged,” Pew reports, as the numbers of undocumented immigrants entering and leaving the United States “have come into rough balance. “The number of undocumented immigrants deported last year who were convicted criminals, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement was 177, 960. That’s 56% of last year’s total number of deportations, according to ICE, and it’s a group that the agency says it’s putting first when it comes to deciding which cases to prioritize. That will goive you an idea of how many illegal alien criminals are still out there.

A Wall Street Journal survey of the 25 U.S. counties with the largest unauthorized immigrant populations found that 20 of them have programs that pay for the low-income uninsured to have doctor visits, shots, prescription drugs, lab tests and surgeries at local providers. The services usually are inexpensive or free to participants, who must prove they live in the county but are told their immigration status doesn’t matter. Interviews with officials in the 25 counties indicated that local initiatives provide nonemergency care for at least 750,000 unauthorized immigrants across those counties, costing them more than $1 billion a year—almost all from local funds.

This is getting redundant, isn’t it

red


68 posted on 06/10/2016 9:52:19 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: sauropod

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69 posted on 06/10/2016 9:57:13 PM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: rockrr
bouncing off your post, And we know that birthrates among whites in America (as well as other white-predominant countries) aren’t at sustainable levels.

It was "the plan" to reduce our population, so as to preserve our wonderland for our own generations while combatting the world's overpopulation. This 'plan' is what made it so easy to argue for opening abortion centers in every large city (an argument which continues to this day, but rechampioned as 'woman's health"). For how can liberals now argue overpopulation when we have for example, the Muslim man with 3 wives and 30 children who expects whatever country he 'refugeed to' to support all of them. The same people who told us to worry about overpopulation are now telling us those worried about overpopulation are bigots.

why wouldn’t we want to ensure that we only allow the best - of all people - to immigrate to our country instead of herding in the dregs of the world?

Theoretically, we still do which is why it's so competitive via legal avenues. The Other Part of the Immigration Debate, that is never broached by special interests, is that our immigration policies are based on quotas. Quotas designed both to preserve the identity of the USA as a natural expansion of western Europe, and to balance the impact of immigration on the black and native indian population that are integral to the history of the US, that is, avoiding them sliding from 1a and 1b priority of inclusion to 3rd or 5th priority - as is now happening as quotas are being blown to bits by illegal entry and birth rates, with a corresponding explosion in the demand for services.

70 posted on 06/10/2016 10:10:57 PM PDT by blueplum (March 11, 2016 - the day the First Amendment died?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author lives in an egg.


71 posted on 06/10/2016 11:49:10 PM PDT by Ketill Frostbeard ("Go not a step from your door unarmed, travel armed for war, you may at any time need a spear." ODIN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Victor Davis Hanson on "The Weirdness of Illegal Immigration":

https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-weirdness-of-illegal-immigration/

72 posted on 06/11/2016 12:10:49 AM PDT by TChad
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To: exDemMom

Careful. It is lists like yours that the amnesty crowd grab onto. They claim a path to legalization will make everything on your list better. It won’t.

Illegals only have jobs because they can be treated differently in all the ways you mention. If they were made “legal” they would then become a complete burden — their jobs would disappear as their employers found new illegals to fill them. Even if new illegals were impossible to find, many of those jobs would be automated out of existence rather than rehire those now-more-expensive green card holders.

Nor does it do anything about them clinging to their home countries’ language and culture rather than assimilating. Nor does it help employ unemployed Americans. Nor does it reduce the welfare tab for these low-paid illegals’ families, from housing assistance to public school lunch programs and in-state tuition and taking college slots from American students and using emergency rooms for a sniffle.

The only solution that really helps all these problems is deportation, crackdown on employers and landlords, and limiting future legal immigration to a trickle that we can assimilate.


73 posted on 06/11/2016 12:51:38 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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To: central_va

Yep. It needs to be frozen and an evaluation done of assimilation.

As long as we have existing populations from a country that have not assimilated culturally or have a higher welfare burden than native Americans, there should be a ZERO quota from that country.


74 posted on 06/11/2016 12:55:40 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somebody’s doing the raping.


75 posted on 06/11/2016 2:12:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Cruz never could have outfought Trump.But I didn't know until this day that it was Romney all along.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One word from title missing,ILLEGAL,you freakin morons


76 posted on 06/11/2016 2:27:21 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: publius911
If you are promoting and enabling unrestricted immigration, legal AND otherwise, man up and just say so.

You have it backwards he said the "people", meaning all "people", have no problem with immigration. Well I am 'people' and I am angry about the amount of legal immigration too.

77 posted on 06/11/2016 3:09:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I'm not sure I agree. We have a lot of legal immigrants where I work, and I wouldn't choose to tell any of them they have to leave.

Low birth rates are the problem. As long as that is the case, legal immigration is the only solution.

78 posted on 06/11/2016 3:34:07 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To the author: ‘Whatcha talkin bout Willis......


79 posted on 06/11/2016 3:54:28 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I'm not sure I agree. We have a lot of legal immigrants where I work, and I wouldn't choose to tell any of them they have to leave. Low birth rates are the problem. As long as that is the case, legal immigration is the only solution.

What a myopic person you are. Low birth rates? R U kidding? those are temporary. When things get easier the population will grow again but that cant happen if you let in a tidal wave of immigrant.

80 posted on 06/11/2016 3:58:01 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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