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Ted Cruz Might Still Be Able To Stop Donald Trump
FiveThirtyEight ^ | March 10, 2016 | Nate Silver

Posted on 03/10/2016 5:19:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The good news for the Republican "establishment" is that there's a man who might be able to stop Donald Trump. The bad news is that it's Ted Cruz, someone they may dislike almost as much.

Cruz, who won Idaho on Tuesday while finishing second to Trump in Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii, is within striking distance of Trump. So far, 29 percent of Republican primary voters have voted for Cruz as compared with 35 percent for Trump. Meanwhile, Cruz trails Trump by 100 delegates: not a trivial gap, although only one more than the 99 at stake in winner-take-all Florida next Tuesday.

The problem for Cruz is that Florida and the rest of the calendar probably aren't as favorable to him as the states that have voted so far. (Florida looks like a Trump state as Marco Rubio loses ground.) But Cruz does have a few things going for him. He's tended to outperform his polling almost everywhere. He's won states in all four major regions of the country. And he potentially stands to gain if Rubio and perhaps John Kasich drop out.

The exit polls in Michigan and Mississippi asked voters who they'd pick in a two-way race between Trump and Cruz, also giving them the option to say they'd sit out the race. Among Rubio voters, on average between the two states, about 75 percent said they'd still vote in a Trump-Cruz race, and of those, 80 percent would prefer Cruz to Trump. Kasich voters were somewhat more equivocal; 55 percent said they'd still vote, and of those, two-thirds would go to Cruz over Trump. Although this is the first time the exit polls have asked about one-on-one matchups, the results are consistent with national polls showing Trump losing ground as the field winnows....

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To: scooby321

Heck, I’m a Texan and I hate the POS! Will never vote for him. I’ll write in if he’s on the ballot.........


61 posted on 03/10/2016 6:55:23 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump has been baited All night. So far he has stayed on point. Very well prepared, and researched. Looking very Presidential.
The more I hear Cruz I dont like him.
Rubio. Very Little Man
Kasich. Boring. Heard this SH*T my entire adult life.
Go Trump


62 posted on 03/10/2016 7:03:15 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ted Cruz is NOT a natural born Citizen.
63 posted on 03/10/2016 7:05:52 PM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: Godebert

Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president? [Yes! And I support him! JimRob]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3084490/posts


64 posted on 03/10/2016 7:09:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz will lose NY, PA, CA, WA, IL, MI, OH, FL, NC.
These are all big states. Winning states like Idaho is not going to cut it.

So how does he get to 1237 delegates without winning above states? It is just a dream.


65 posted on 03/10/2016 7:12:44 PM PST by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the rich donors!)
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To: sruleoflaw

Do you consider post #46 a nice post?
If yes, I am afraid you need to see an optometrist real quick.


66 posted on 03/10/2016 7:14:14 PM PST by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the rich donors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

The Harvard Law Review Article Taken Apart Piece by Piece and Utterly Destroyed

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

If there is extensive law written that covers election fraud, but it is impossible to enforce, or if a sufficient number of people agree that So-and-So is the President or Pope despite the law, how does that not utterly, completely destroy the entire notion of the Rule of Law itself? As I have said for years with regards to Obama, if you can’t enforce Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, what can you enforce? Can you enforce the border? Can you enforce citizenship? Equal protection? Search and seizure? Right to bear arms? Can you enforce the law against treason? Theft? Murder? Trafficking in body parts? Religious persecution?

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

Not much information exists on why the Third Congress (under the lead of James Madison and the approval of George Washington) deleted "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790 when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1795. There is virtually no information on the subject because they probably realized that the First Congress committed errors when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 and did not want to create a record of the errors.

It can be reasonably argued that Congress realized that under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is given the power to make uniform laws on naturalization and that this power did not include the power to decide who is included or excluded from being a presidential Article II "natural born Citizen." While Congress has passed throughout United States history many statutes declaring who shall be considered nationals and citizens of the United States at birth and thereby exempting such persons from having to be naturalized under naturalization laws, at no time except by way of the short-lived "natural born" phrase in Naturalization Act of 1790 did it ever declare these persons to be "natural born Citizens."

The uniform definition of "natural born Citizen" was already provided by the law of nations and was already settled. The Framers therefore saw no need nor did they give Congress the power to tinker with that definition. Believing that Congress was highly vulnerable to foreign influence and intrigue, the Framers, who wanted to keep such influence out of the presidency, did not trust Congress when it came to who would be President, and would not have given Congress the power to decide who shall be President by allowing it to define what an Article II "natural born Citizen " is.

Additionally, the 1790 act was a naturalization act. How could a naturalization act make anyone an Article II "natural born Citizen?" After all, a "natural born Citizen" was made by nature at the time of birth and could not be so made by any law of man.

Natural Born Citizen Through the Eyes of Early Congresses

Harvard Law Review Article FAILS to Establish Ted Cruz as Natural Born Citizen

Watch: Mark Levin declares Ted Cruz a "Naturalized Citizen"

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

The settled law of the land is that the US President must be a natural born citizen, and that to be a natural born citizen, you must have been born in the United States to parents both of whom were US citizens when you were born.

You may disagree with the goal of the Constitutional Convention, and/or with the means they chose to achieve it. But it's not a technicality, not an anachronism no longer relevant in modern times, nor is it racist. Especially in modern times, it enables persons of any race or ethnic heritage to become President. And it's what the Constitution requires.

You may also disagree with binding precedent regarding the meaning of "natural born citizen" as established in Minor. But in our system, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, are the "supreme law of the land." And if one faction gets to disregard the Constitution and/or the Supreme Court because they disagree, then that sets a precedent where all other factions can do the same.

Any Argument Against the Natural Law Definition of "Natural Born Citizen" Can easily be Defeated Here

67 posted on 03/10/2016 7:15:47 PM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: MotorCityBuck

Trump is 8/10 on charisma factor. That is why he has such large crowds. Cruz is 2/10, Rubio is 3/10 and Kasich is 0.5/10.


68 posted on 03/10/2016 7:16:41 PM PST by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the rich donors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not after this debate. Trump will earn and get his 1237


69 posted on 03/10/2016 7:19:14 PM PST by navymom1
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To: Godebert

Man, you just carpet bombed poor 2DV. Way too many facts and research in your post. How do you expect anyone to refute it point by point? You gotta give Cruzers a fighting chance.


70 posted on 03/10/2016 7:19:18 PM PST by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the rich donors!)
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To: entropy12

Agreed. I cant stand Kasich. Idiot.
Trump has bite his tongue all night. Shows he has the self control that I always knew he had. Looking GOOD!


71 posted on 03/10/2016 7:27:37 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems to me that the only way Cruz can win is if Rubio and Kasich get out before Florida (very unlikely) AND Cruz is able to make a deal of some sort with the GOPe in the same timeframe.

While possible, both of those things happening in the time available are long shots, to say the least.


72 posted on 03/10/2016 7:27:53 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The fact that he isn't (another FReeper posted a detailed reply explaining why so I won't bother reiterating) is what made me decide against Cruz. His more and more obvious involvement with the GOPe is disappointing, but regardless of what he does or doesn't do I couldn't in good conscience have voted for a ineligible candidate.
73 posted on 03/10/2016 7:38:51 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: sruleoflaw

I will take up your challenge. And if Trump does the following, will you promise to never show up here?

Trump builds the Wall.

Trump deports ILLEGALS.

Trump on stops hemorrhaging Trillion dollars EVERY year in foreign trade deficits.

Trump stops spending Billions and Trillions in middle-east wars with borrowed money from China, Japan & EU.

Trump takes better care of Vets.

Trump stops influx of UN-Vetted Muslims entering the country.


74 posted on 03/10/2016 7:39:48 PM PST by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the rich donors!)
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To: The Iceman Cometh
Cruz said I’m not smart enough for him. ....

Donald Trump said, "I love the poorly educated."

If you think Cruz was talking about you, he was only quoting Trump.

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75 posted on 03/10/2016 7:40:58 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: entropy12

I do it for the benefit of the low-information Cruz and Rubio supporters. ; )


76 posted on 03/10/2016 8:25:05 PM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not after tonight’s debate


77 posted on 03/10/2016 8:25:29 PM PST by onona (Honey this isn't Kindergarten. We are in an all out war for the survival of our Country !)
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To: entropy12

I won’t promise to NEVER show up again, but I’ll own up to that I was wrong.

WILL YOU DO THE SAME: Can you own it if Trump proves his supporters to be wrong? I doubt it because Trump hasn’t owned a thing throughout the campaign. The man is incapable of taking responsibility for anything.


78 posted on 03/10/2016 9:42:28 PM PST by sruleoflaw
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To: Agamemnon
If you think Cruz was talking about you, he was only quoting Trump.

I wonder if my Bachelor's Degree from Coastal Carolina University is good enough for Ted Cruz? I know it's not Harvard or Rutgers or even South Carolina. Ted needs to put out a list of what he deems as intelligent enough to support him.

79 posted on 03/11/2016 8:41:02 AM PST by The Iceman Cometh (With Cruz You Get Rubio)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz has zero chance to beat Trump at this point and really never did have a path to the nomination. If Trump had not gotten in the race Jeb or Rubio would be beating him.


80 posted on 03/11/2016 8:42:24 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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