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Who is Donald Trump, Really?
Texas GOP Vote ^ | December 1, 2015 at 8:14 AM | Tom Donelson

Posted on 01/15/2016 11:38:31 AM PST by TBP

Byron York had an interesting piece on Donald Trump that is worth reading. At least anyone who might be interested in the real Donald Trump. Trump appeared in front of the “non-partisan” No Labels group who desperately wants candidates that will “compromise” even though it is never clear what compromises will result in.

Donald Trump told this group, "Let me just tell you, the word compromise is not a bad word to me. I like the word compromise. We need compromise, there is nothing wrong with compromise, but it's always good to compromise and win. Meaning, let's compromise and win." Can you imagine the reaction of Trump’s supporters if a Marco Rubio actually met with this group and said this? The cries of RINO would arise and say that Rubio is nothing but a tool of the Establishment.

York's thesis is that Trump is prone to saying outrageous things or beginning with outrageous positions so he can get what he wants. This is Trump the deal maker who understands you won’t get all that you want so you start with many positions that you know you can throw away to get what you want in negotiations.

As American Enterprise Institute Marc Thiessen noted, a portion of Trump’s plan on immigration is actually an idea that came from Texas Moderate Senator Kay Baily Hutchison, who proposed Trump's “touchback” in which you deport millions of immigrants to let them back in. You can decide whether this is a practical plan, but make no mistake, under Trump’s reform, the vast majority of illegal today will still be here after his reforms. This means that the results will be no different than a President Rubio or a President Bush. If you don’t believe me, listen to Trump’s own words when he told CNN's Dana Bash, “I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…. A lot of these people are helping us … and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal.”

I have already made the case that Trump’s plan is laying the basis for Republican compromise on immigration, and I am not the only one as National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru has made the same observations. Nor is that the only area that Trump will compromise on. As I have mentioned in past posts, moderate and liberal Democrats and conservatives have all agreed that any tax reforms will include lower marginal rates and fewer deductions since 2009. Even the President's own commission under moderate Republican Alan Simpson and liberal Democrat Erskine Bowles agreed with this consensus and Trump's own tax plans follow along those same lines. Trump's tax plans also have been sold as a boon for the Middle Class, using language similar to what Marco Rubio has said about his plan. (There are differences in details but Trump’s tax plans are part of what the real consensus truly is.)

Trump has set the stage for his own version of the big compromise on both taxes and spending if elected, and his foreign policy is closer to the left than the right as he has supported the leftist position that much of the Middle East's problems are Bush’s fault and not Obama's handling of foreign policies, even though he has criticized Obama's deal making skills. In attacking Obama’s deal making skills, he has not really attacked the basis of Obama’s foreign policies. In the case of the Iranian deal, he has made it clear that he would not ditch the deal but simply “renegotiate” the deal. And his protectionist trade views are in line not just with the populist right but also the hard left.

The reality for Republican voters is that Trump is the most centrist candidate we have running, if you chose to read what he actually says as opposed to the image he projects. My own view of Trump is that of a business man who loves to make money; he has an instinct for conservative ideas but he is not the conservative that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio is. Trump doesn’t keep a copy of F.A. Hayek in his back pocket, and over the past decade, he has taken positions that are to the left of the GOP and other times, he sounds like the hard core right wing. If you look at Trump’s supporters, they are more politically moderate than Rubio’s or Cruz's supports, and they are more blue-collar. They are not traditionally conservative but he is building a broader center-right coalition, leaving the question of will that be enough? And a Trump Presidency will be a centrist administration with something for everyone, but will it be a conservative administration? That is a question that one can’t fully answer.


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To: sparklite2

Author should look at this
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3384013/posts

Best example I’ve seen of who DT is. This was 1991 but much of what he says explains today’s exonomy / stock market.


21 posted on 01/15/2016 11:56:45 AM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: Calpublican
His "Conservative" supporters like his outrageous anger because they are angry.

You're confused.

I like all the pretty explosions Trump's causing on The Uniparty's Media DeathStar.

Trump: Because Ted Cruz Needs Someone To Run The Media Gauntlet For Him


22 posted on 01/15/2016 11:56:52 AM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: TBP

Trump is whatever his fans want him to be in any given week.


23 posted on 01/15/2016 11:56:54 AM PST by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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To: factoryrat

+1

I’ve said in the past that DC is a china shop in need of a bull.


24 posted on 01/15/2016 11:58:02 AM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: TBP

If you have read all of Trump’s books, you get a really good idea about who he is and why he is particularly good for the country at this time. It’s like his favorite book, the Bible: you only really understand what it is telling you if you read all of it several times. You notice that some things are covered over and over again. These are the important parts.

People who try to generalize from one or two Bible verses are as successful as people who try to generalize what Donald Trump thinks from one or two quotes.


25 posted on 01/15/2016 11:59:49 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: TBP
You won't get all that you want so you start with many positions that you know you can throw away to get what you want in negotiations

Golly gee willikers, what a novel concept! Actually how negotiations have been done since cave man days, but must be a revelation to Mr. York.

26 posted on 01/15/2016 12:02:04 PM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust

I made up my mind a year ago to not demand perfect complementarity between my views and a candidate who can get the job done. AFAIAC, Cruz or Trump can be caught tossing dwarves through flaming hula hoops and my support for them will not dwindle. Someone has to tear through DC like a Tasmanian Devil, and no other candidates will do it.


27 posted on 01/15/2016 12:03:57 PM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust

“I went from being excited about Trump to having no respect for him in a period of just over a week.”

You are a thinker who can see the reality of Trump. Many are blinded by his billions of dollars, saying he is the smartest man on earth to have that much money and can fix any problem since he has billions of dollars. Money does not make a person liberal or conservative - Trump’s life has been one of a liberal and he will be one as president. A liberal with billions of dollars is still a liberal.


28 posted on 01/15/2016 12:04:03 PM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today))
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To: TBP

Looks like we will never get this thing fixed that uglies up some posts. Bookmark

http://dan.hersam.com/tools/smart-quotes.html


29 posted on 01/15/2016 12:04:09 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust
I went from being excited about Trump to having no respect for him in a period of just over a week. I suspect that others feel the same way.

Seeing more here every day. #trumpremorse

30 posted on 01/15/2016 12:06:46 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: TBP

As American Enterprise Institute Marc Thiessen noted, a portion of Trump’s plan on immigration is actually an idea that came from Texas Moderate Senator Kay Baily Hutchison, who proposed Trump’s “touchback” in which you deport millions of immigrants to let them back in. You can decide whether this is a practical plan, but make no mistake, under Trump’s reform, the vast majority of illegal today will still be here his reforms.


The author and assumingly the poster are believe this because all politicians lie and how can Trump be any different. None of this matters because so far Trump is the best we have. No matter your position on illegal immigrants there will have to be some hard case exceptions to permanent deportation. Hopefully, Trump will want a win/win policy on such exceptions.


31 posted on 01/15/2016 12:06:49 PM PST by amihow (l)
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To: TBP

Well you will get to find out soon because barring an alien abduction Trump is likely the next President of the USA


32 posted on 01/15/2016 12:07:34 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: kiryandil
I was going to trash you for this one, but I checked your posting history, and you're not lying.

ooh, ooh. Check mine too!

LOL!!

33 posted on 01/15/2016 12:08:44 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Marcella; Chauncey Uppercrust

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Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and George Soros are all super liberals.

I’d bet that 99% of billionaires are socialists.


34 posted on 01/15/2016 12:08:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: sparklite2

x3


35 posted on 01/15/2016 12:08:54 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: libbylu

“If Trump came to my house I wouldn’t let him in.”

If he came to my house, I would not let him in and would grab a barf bag because his loud mouth pronouncements to fool voters and gutter language makes me that sick.


36 posted on 01/15/2016 12:09:36 PM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today))
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To: sparklite2

Cruz is a dream candidate, he was always my first choice, Trump lost me with his Cruz bashing that is irreversible as of last night

baring some terrific apology


37 posted on 01/15/2016 12:10:27 PM PST by Chauncey Uppercrust (CRUZ 2016 OR BUST Trump supporters love NY VALUES)
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust

That’s the nature of primaries. Don’t let it be a permanent schism.


38 posted on 01/15/2016 12:11:37 PM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust
Am very disappointed in the Freepers that are saying Cruz bashed the memory of 911 etc,

Wait, what, who?

You have a linky?

39 posted on 01/15/2016 12:12:14 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I would like to think our infighting is just primary bickering. I can’t believe there are people who would sit out the election against Bernie or Hillary because their guy wasn’t nominated.


40 posted on 01/15/2016 12:13:08 PM PST by Baynative (If socialist democrat ideas are so good for people why must they be mandatory?)
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