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1 posted on 05/07/2015 8:41:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, but which of them can expand entitlements more?


2 posted on 05/07/2015 8:45:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shut up, Trump, you useless fool.


3 posted on 05/07/2015 8:59:18 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We hear ya, The Donald. Now STFU!


4 posted on 05/07/2015 9:04:06 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Out RINOing each other? Too bad no one will get impaled.


5 posted on 05/07/2015 9:06:49 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo ("We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."- Nathaniel Greene)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump BECLOWNS himself!


6 posted on 05/07/2015 9:07:29 PM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s what we need: One joke calling out another joke.


14 posted on 05/07/2015 10:10:45 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cued up “send in the clowns?”


17 posted on 05/07/2015 10:22:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I love it when we're Cruz'in together)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Huckabee is a jerk pretending to NOT be a jerk! Why can’t a super majority of voters see through Huckabee’s ongoing deceptions?


26 posted on 05/08/2015 1:36:33 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It really p!sses me off when someone refers to social security and medicare as an ‘entitlement’. How is it an entitlement when the government has stolen this money out of my paycheck for the last 40 years? If I’m lucky enough to live to the appointed age, I might get some of it back but I could have done more with the money if I had been allowed to keep it.


27 posted on 05/08/2015 3:21:25 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump, you are FIRED!


31 posted on 05/08/2015 10:28:27 AM PDT by entropy12 (I hope senator Cruz is lot less abrasive and snide than some of his supporter FRiends.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
As a side note to this thread, consider that if the 17th Amendment had never been ratified then the bill that established Social Security would probably been killed by the Senate as per the following explanation.

Although I question the motives of FDR era justices, these justices had evidently made the same mistake in interpreting the Constitution’s General Welfare Clause (GWC; 1.8.1) in deciding the constitutionality of Social Security that the 14th Congress had made in trying to use the GWC to justify its federal public works bill.

More specifically, President Madison, generally regarded as the father of the Constitution, had vetoed Congress’s bill to build roads and canals which Congress had used its “specific power” of the GWC to justify. But as Madison had put it, the problem with Congress using the GWC to justify building roads and canals is that the GWC as not intended to be interpreted as a delegation of specific power to Congress.

"To refer the power in question to the clause "to provide for common defense and general welfare" would be contrary to the established and consistent rules of interpretation, as rendering the special and careful enumeration of powers which follow the clause nugatory and improper. Such a view of the Constitution would have the effect of giving to Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them, the terms "common defense and general welfare" embracing every object and act within the purview of a legislative trust.” —President James Madison, Veto of federal public works bill, March 3, 1787.

So based on Madison’s words, the GWC is nothing more than an introductory clause for the clauses which follow it in Section 8 which do enumerate specific powers.

Also note that both the FDR era 74th Congress which wrongly passed the bill that established Social Security without constitutional justification, and the 111th Congress which likewise wrongly passed Obamacare without justification, had also wrongly ignored the option to lead Congress to propose appropriate amendments to Constitution to the states to establish such spending programs. And if the states had chosen to ratify such amendments then Congress would have the constitutional authority that it needs to establish these programs.

The 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and a bunch of corrupt senators along with it.

36 posted on 05/09/2015 12:30:49 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Regarding post 36 , President Madison had vetoed the public works bill in 1817, not 1787 as shown. That’s a typo.
37 posted on 05/09/2015 12:35:36 PM PDT by Amendment10
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