Posted on 12/29/2014 3:53:57 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
LOLOLOL!!! {^) Too true!!!
Yup -- at least, if the GOP moves forward as it most probably will, and nominates at functional Democrat Republican.
It's obvious as well that others on the thread are reading the article and consider one of the scenarios an exercise in naïve futility.
Here is something uplifting I just discovered! As some of you may be aware Facebook has software that detects faces. If I put in “Hillary Clinton” for the face it gets 301,640 likes. If I put in “Jeb Bush” it gets 127,792 likes. If I put in “Ted Cruz” it gets 1,080,234 likes. Since the Democrat controlled Lamestream is pushing Jeb at us 24/7 this is proof Jeb is their designated loser.
Notice how the Lamestream is minimizing Ted Cruz with something like 3% of the vote? This face function of Facebook has inadvertently revealed the truth! TED WINS OVER HILLARY 78.2% to 21.8% of the likes on Facebook! (With 1,381,874 total votes between them that’s not just some tiny survey here!)
-- To Promote Conservatism and our Christian heritage, not Establishment party politics and to share my thoughts as a Watchman on the wall.
I've been called a demagogue for asking others why they are here because they all have negatives to offer - they will tell us what they will not do, but do not have any cogent idea of a positive action that would actually help us foster a more conservative government.
I admit to some demagoguery because I decided that it might be useful to stir the pot to see if there any real thoughts or game[plans out there. I keep getting vague responses - many similar to Nancy Pelosi telling us that we had to pass the bill to find out what was in it. They claim they have a real plan that can work, then intimate that it is best served by only discussing it with those "bet able to understand it". I call them charlatans.
It would be really nice for folks here to share what they think is a workable plan - else all we are is a bunch of self-professed conservatives that do a better job at demoralizing the whole than any Dim plant could ever do.
Dear Vet, I've already FACED the only alternative conservatives will have, faced it and accepted it. The CHALLENGE is to convince good people like you that it IS an alternative. :^)
The alternative is to skip playing that loser's game of voting for a Republican to do what you abhor on the pretense that "it's better than a Democrat doing what I abhor," and to instead VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY LIMITED GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVE with the complete understanding that the operation will have been a success if that third party vote does what Perot did and split the vote into a plurality. Perot's voters unwittingly HELPED conservatism by making Clinton weak -- the clear majority of Americans were opposed to Clinton BOTH TIMES he was elected, though the MSM has spun the myth that he was a "popular" president.
The facts are that Clinton was never "popular" enough to get a majority of voters!!!! What the media narrative is and what the truth is are very different, yet conservatives right here on FR drink the "Clinton was popular!" myth like koolaid!!!
"Popular" my foot!!! He was popular with the media. That's different than being popular with Americans. Clinton was OPPOSED by the clear majority, rejected by most American voters BOTH TIMES he was elected, and it made him weak. He was dominated by the Republican Revolution (emboldened as well when left-leaning Dole and Bush lost, which proved that Americans rejected them as well as left-leaning Democrats) and then he was IMPEACHED.
PLEASE think of these things when considering the alternative in 2016, because very likely, the GOP is going to nominate a functional Democrat Republican and I and millions of other Americans will refuse to vote for him the same as they refused to vote for either Clinton or Bush/Dole so long ago, and the same as they/I refused to vote for Romney in 2012.
If our limited government third party candidate actually wins, so much the better. But if all that candidate does is split the vote into a plurality so that whichever big government-pushing tyrant wins, the Democrat or the Republican, goes into office with a clear majority of Americans on record as rejecting that president. That would be preferable to a majority mandate for either the Democrat or the Republican IF the Republican is a Jeb, Romney, Christie, etc.
Again, I HAVE ALREADY COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. You just don't want to consider it.
Vet, ask yourself: If Romney had won with a majority in 2012 instead of Obama, do you really think the mid terms would have resulted in the kinds of Republican gains we saw in 2014?
You are fibbing to yourself. What you really mean is that it would be really nice for folks here to share what YOU think is a workable plan.
I already know what the ONLY workable alternative will be in 2016 in the extremely likely scenario that the GOPe nominates another functional Democrat Republican.
YOU just don't think it's workable.
The hard cold truth is that when you vote for left-leaning Republicans, you make leftism stronger IN BOTH PARTIES. The ONLY WAY any individual American has to weaken leftism at the ballot box and in government is to refuse to vote for it.
That is the ONLY alternative. Voting for the Republican "no matter what because it's bound to be better than the Democrat," as I did for more than 30 years and as my mom did for sixty years, is a proven failure. Witness 2012, the apex configuration (so far!) of such failure's results. My mom, I, and millions of others have finally woken up to that fact. The SOLE alternative is to refuse to play a loser's game. The SOLE alternative is to deprive leftists of either party of our votes.
At this stage, given history's lessons and our Founders' warnings - unless this nations falls on it's face in repentance, does a 180 in behavior and girds itself for a long, arduous, bloody fight to establish new guards for our happiness, safety and security - then fostering a more Conservative government is just the realm of fantasy.
The Colonists were wise enough to recognize they were suffering the tyranny of the Crown because of their collective sins as a people. The 1760s were filled with sermons imploring repentance, and no wonder, since the fires of Independence and liberty were first declared and fought in their pulpits more than a decade before Lexington and Concord.
You asked for a 'workable plan'. Well, it's not going to happen at the ballot box or from the Parties now ruling us.
I find no example in history that the kind of meddlesome tyranny and fundamental transformation agenda we are suffering can be overcome via civil means. Corruption and oligarchy at all levels makes that an impossibility.
If we would be free men, and we would want our inalienable rights restored to what they should be, then we are going to have to fight for them. A tyranny is never going to relent power to those they rule and seek to subjugate.
As Jefferson acknowledged Liberty is a gift from God, the fact of our current situation is because a people who are not governed by God, will be ruled by the tyranny of men.
A 'workable plan' must first begin by returning this people to a religious and moral people, for only such a people are fit for liberty, and our Constitution was made only for such people. Self governing under the Supreme Governor of the Universe.
That job has to happen in the church, and by a people who will not tire of saying to anyone and everyone "This is the way, walk in it". Thusfar a majority of Churches are not interested in even considering doing what the churches did in the 1750s-60's during the First Great Awakening. A testament to the lukewarm condition Christianity finds itself in.
Even Franklin noted that when societies grow corrupt and vicious, they will have more masters and tyrants placed upon them.
Here we are.
So your “superpower” is reading minds? Well, guess what? It isn’t working! That is NOT at all what I meant, but thanks for playing! Johnny, tell him about his parting gifts!
Here's my plan:
1. Stop voting for traitorous, back stabbing R's, simply because they have an "R" next to their name
2. Every payday, buy at least 1 box of ammo for each of my firearms
3. Every payday, add a bucket or bag of food stuffs and staples to my closet
4. Pray, wait, and take a firm stand when called upon to do so.
That's the plan. That's all we can do at this point.
What do you think of my alternative?
1. Stop voting for traitorous, back stabbing R's, simply because they have an "R" next to their name
That's mine as well. Of course, I'm assuming mind-reading status if I observe that many simply refuse to see that as an alternative. They ONLY see the "alternative" of playing a losers' game with the Republican primary set-up and protocol that makes it virtually impossible to nominate a true representative in the vain hope that they'll overcome it this time. They present ZERO plan if their first plan, of "taking over the GOP," fails and the "plan" is then to vote for a leftist Republican because he's supposed to be better than the leftist Democrat and it's the only way to vote "against" the Democrat.
You asked me to offer an alternative. I do so, and you respond with ... zero except vague refusal to consider it.
You’re going to throw away the franchise that millions of men fought and died for over many centuries to give you? That’s brilliant!
Again, you asked me to furnish my suggestion for an alternative, I do so telling you that the biggest challenge is to convince good patriots like you that it is an alternative ...
... and you refuse point blank to consider the alternative I put forth.
What will YOUR alternative be if your attempt fails and the GOP nominates Jeb, or Romney, or Christie, or some other functional Democrat, as the Republican presidential candidate?
From where I'm standing, THAT is the important question. I have already determined on the best alternative.
Third party or write-in, I suppose. My ancestors and I and millions of others served so that we can all vote. I won’t casually throw that away. Say that more of us had voted for McCain/Palin in 2008, for instance. Do you really think an old ex-POW would have made it through eight years of such a grueling job? And if not, what would have happened? That’s right! President Palin. But not enough people thought strategically!!
I sure did! {^) You nailed it! I figured that ol' Nutso McCain would be taken out in a straightjacket before the first four years were up, so I voted for him on that gamble. Had his running mate been almost anyone else, I'd have voted third party for the first time in more than three decades of voting. I thought then and still think Palin would make a very good president.
Romney crossed the line on every front, moral and fiscal. Voting for that was as nuts as voting for Obama. Truly, Vet, the plurality split of Perot weakened Clinton, weakened the moderate wing of the Republican party, and aided conservative Republicans.
I think strategically with my vote. It is a DUTY for me to vote because I am (or consider myself) to be thoughtfully informed, by the grace of FR and the Almighty! I have to USE my vote the best way I can. I withhold it always, NOW, from men who would use it to increase government control over me and mine. I wish I had started voting that way sooner.
My duty to vote here in California in the recent Governor's race, between Romney-clone Kashkari or Moonbeam, with zero third party alternative, was to decline participating altogether. I'm indifferent as to whether the brand is Coke or Pepsi, and reject both of them. My duty was to withhold my endorsement, so I did.
That is the ONLY alternative. Voting for the Republican "no matter what because it's bound to be better than the Democrat," as I did for more than 30 years and as my mom did for sixty years, is a proven failure. Witness 2012, the apex configuration (so far!) of such failure's results. My mom, I, and millions of others have finally woken up to that fact. The SOLE alternative is to refuse to play a loser's game. The SOLE alternative is to deprive leftists of either party of our votes.
I keep hearing how refusing to vote for a RINO is a winning game. The evidence of the last 6 years shows that we end up with an Obama riding lawless herd over the Nation. It's fine to refuse to vote for someone you don't approve of, but it's also important to remember that the hard Left will continue to vote for folks even worse.Not one person has formulated why/how the not voting for RINOs is a winning plan and will result in enough conservatives in D.C. to turn the tide. What am I missing? Is there a real plan or is the "won't vote for a RINO" the clarion call for what will serve as a plan? What is in play to pressure the GOPe and other RINO entities to start supporting conservatives? This last election gave me some hope and I still keep my fingers crossed that the transition to 2015 will provide some signal that folks get it, but we need to regain the WH to have a chance - If no other election merits voting a RINO vs. a hard Left commie like Obama and kin, it would seem that the WH seat would be that one - especially since the Constitution has been trampled so much that the Congress refuses to turn to it to set things right with that seat.
I don't care, run me though it like I'm a 5-year-old kid with a learning disability - what concessions, if any, can be made and for what elections. How does that gain us long-term movement towards our goal of return to what the Founders put in place?
I've seen some pundits saying that we need to stage the plan by getting rid of as many hard-left Dims as possible, even if it means replacing them with RINOS. As progress is made, begin whittling away at the RINOS for more conservative choices. It seems to make more sense than the "just won't vote for anyone that's not a solid conservative" ""plan"" that seems prevalent here. That's all I ask - lay it out so even an idiot can see where we make long-term and sustainable gains by just refusing to vote for Barney Fife when the opposition will organize behind Charlie Manson.
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