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To: trebb
I've been called a demagogue for asking others why they are here because they all have negatives to offer - they will tell us what they will not do, but do not have any cogent idea of a positive action that would actually help us foster a more conservative government.

At this stage, given history's lessons and our Founders' warnings - unless this nations falls on it's face in repentance, does a 180 in behavior and girds itself for a long, arduous, bloody fight to establish new guards for our happiness, safety and security - then fostering a more Conservative government is just the realm of fantasy.

The Colonists were wise enough to recognize they were suffering the tyranny of the Crown because of their collective sins as a people. The 1760s were filled with sermons imploring repentance, and no wonder, since the fires of Independence and liberty were first declared and fought in their pulpits more than a decade before Lexington and Concord.

You asked for a 'workable plan'. Well, it's not going to happen at the ballot box or from the Parties now ruling us.

I find no example in history that the kind of meddlesome tyranny and fundamental transformation agenda we are suffering can be overcome via civil means. Corruption and oligarchy at all levels makes that an impossibility.

If we would be free men, and we would want our inalienable rights restored to what they should be, then we are going to have to fight for them. A tyranny is never going to relent power to those they rule and seek to subjugate.

As Jefferson acknowledged Liberty is a gift from God, the fact of our current situation is because a people who are not governed by God, will be ruled by the tyranny of men.

A 'workable plan' must first begin by returning this people to a religious and moral people, for only such a people are fit for liberty, and our Constitution was made only for such people. Self governing under the Supreme Governor of the Universe.

That job has to happen in the church, and by a people who will not tire of saying to anyone and everyone "This is the way, walk in it". Thusfar a majority of Churches are not interested in even considering doing what the churches did in the 1750s-60's during the First Great Awakening. A testament to the lukewarm condition Christianity finds itself in.

Even Franklin noted that when societies grow corrupt and vicious, they will have more masters and tyrants placed upon them.

Here we are.

29 posted on 12/30/2014 10:02:37 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
You asked for a 'workable plan'. Well, it's not going to happen at the ballot box or from the Parties now ruling us.

I find no example in history that the kind of meddlesome tyranny and fundamental transformation agenda we are suffering can be overcome via civil means. Corruption and oligarchy at all levels makes that an impossibility.

If we would be free men, and we would want our inalienable rights restored to what they should be, then we are going to have to fight for them. A tyranny is never going to relent power to those they rule and seek to subjugate.

As Jefferson acknowledged Liberty is a gift from God, the fact of our current situation is because a people who are not governed by God, will be ruled by the tyranny of men.

A 'workable plan' must first begin by returning this people to a religious and moral people, for only such a people are fit for liberty, and our Constitution was made only for such people. Self governing under the Supreme Governor of the Universe.

That job has to happen in the church, and by a people who will not tire of saying to anyone and everyone "This is the way, walk in it". Thus far a majority of Churches are not interested in even considering doing what the churches did in the 1750s-60's during the First Great Awakening. A testament to the lukewarm condition Christianity finds itself in.

Even Franklin noted that when societies grow corrupt and vicious, they will have more masters and tyrants placed upon them.

Here we are.

Thank you for stating what I believe - concerted movements by the People, under a truly moral and God-oriented leadership, is probably the only path to returning to what we started with. I fear that it might not result in what we envision (Do the leaders of any revolution tend to trade the old despotic regime for a new version with them at the helm or do they actually turn it over to the People?) and each year that goes by, becomes less likely. In the meantime, I intend to just do what I can in order to slow the inexorable march towards full-blown Communism/Socialism/Tyranny with the tools available, even if they are broken. While there is breath, there is hope.

41 posted on 12/31/2014 3:31:57 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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