Posted on 04/29/2013 10:21:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney would have won the presidency if the white and black turnout rates had stayed at their 2004 levels, according to a new analysis of 2012 election.
“The battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida and Colorado would have tipped in favor of Romney, handing him the presidency if the outcome of other states remained the same,” according to The Associated Press’s summary of research by William Frey, an expert at the Brookings Institution.
Overall turnout declined from 62 percent in 2008 to 58 percent in 2012, Frey reported.
The drop-off reduced the overall turnout by up to 5 million votes, despite a slight increase in the number of eligible white voters, said the AP report....
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Here is an excerpt from a letter that he wrote in 1994.
As a result of our discussions and other interactions with gay and lesbian voters across the state, I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for Americas gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent. (Ted Kennedy)
I am not unaware of my opponent’s considerable record in the area of civil rights, or the commitment of Massachusetts voters to the principle of equality for all Americans. For some voters it might be enough for me to simply match my opponent’s record in this area. But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.
We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden to include housing and credit, and the bill to create a federal panel to find ways to reduce gay and lesbian youth suicide, which I also support. One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.
The LDS thing was a big deal. Enough evangelicals would not vote for a Mormon to depress turnout back to the McCain total. I still remember Rove on election night incensed Fox had called Ohio for Obama. He knew the S.E. Ohio evangelical vote would tumble in just like in previous elections and secure the state for Romney. But it didn’t come in and Fox’s exit polls knew it wouldn’t.
Did the founders create a 2 party system? No. There was something like 18 candidates on the presidential election ballot. Know one put a gun to your head to pick A or B.
Good grief man you have to be daft to say that.
I'm not a Romney fan particularly, but to say he was "too evil to vote for" when comparing him to Bambi is one of the most delusional things I've ever read.
Bambi's administration is absolutely, categorically the most evil, destructive, divisive, pro-muzzie, pro-Marxist administration ever.
And you wouldn't vote for the alternative......
Okay, you're one of the 1%ers who own every horrid thing he does. You helped him get elected, kindly stfu, never complain about the horrors that come from his doings, and try to figure out how to not be so stupid next time, okay?
Actually you are a pretty rabid Romney devotee who has earned a nasty reputation for it.
I hope that you don’t guide this thread into that kind of territory although your opening post seems to indicate that it is too late.
Cruz: GOP Senators Yelled at Me for Supporting Gun Filibuster
Monday, April 29, 2013 4:55:43 PM · 20 of 23
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HA!!!
All the psuedocon freepers who had screaming fits about standing on principle over the election can now hold their heads proudly knowing that they have the support and confidence of the RINO wing.
You all know who you are and yes, it sucks to be you! HAHAHAHAH! I freaking love the irony!
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Certainly not what the founders had in mind. But, it is the system that we have and we have to figure out how to turn it into political power. Right now the Commies have the upper hand.
We have it because some people keep doing it when they could ‘not’ do it.
Good luck proving that wrong. As long as one other candidate exists on any ballot, your assertion is nothing but BS. You can twist the language to say whatever you like but words mean things.
There are other options. Period. People vote for them every election. Others vote for hard left RINOS anc call themselves conservative for doing it...Thus, no ‘two party system’. If you want to believe false memes, do so. But don’t spread them.
That's a rather odd perspective. Of course we have had any number of odd sods, wackos, and bitter old men who have succeeding in getting their names on the ballot, sometimes in all 50 states. But, none of these irrelevant beings have ever come close to winning any political power, much less an election. You keep score in politics by winning elections, all the rest is just useless entertainment.
Since 1900, third parties have won electoral votes in only four Presidential elections: 1912, 1924, 1948, and 1968. In 1912, Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive (Bull Moose) Party replaced the Republicans and won 88 electoral votes, coming in second to the winning Democrats and Woodrow Wilson. The Republicans only won 8 electoral votes. But, the Progressive Party didn't survive, and by 1916 the Republicans were back as one of the two dominant parties.
That was the last time any third party figured into a Presidential election. In 1924, a different Progressive Party gave 13 electoral votes (WI) to Bob LaFollette. They've been Democrats ever since.
In 1948 and 1968 a different phenomenon was in play. The solid Democrat South was at odds with the liberals in the party over the question of Civil Rights. Since the Republicans were firmly in the Civil Rights corner, these folks had no where to go. In 1948, the State's Rights Party won 4 states and 39 electoral votes. In 1968, The American Independent Party won 4 states and 46 electoral votes. Neither of these efforts had an effect on the winning party. One significant outcome of all of this is that the Solid Democrat South became the Solid Republican South and the two parties became a Liberal Party (Democrat) and a Conservative Party (Republican). The current fight is over the future of the Republican Party as a conservative party. We could end up with two liberal parties, but if that happens, a new conservative party will emerge and the weaker of the two liberal parties will disappear. We will end up with two parties.
We've had crackpots on the ballot in every Presidential election since 1968, but none have won a single electoral vote. H. Ross Perot got over 18% of the popular vote, but zero electoral votes. Even if everyone of his supporters had voted for Bush, Clinton would have still won the Electoral College.
So there we have it. I have asserted that we have a two party system in this country. I have demonstrated the facts supporting that argument. At the Presidential level, the two major parties will always produce the winner. Voters have to make their choice between two candidates. If they choose a crackpot, or if they decline to vote, they are helping one of the two principal candidates. In 2012, that was Barack Obama and dissatisfied Conservatives effectively handed him a second term. Believe any fantasy that you want, but the cold hard facts are hard to refute.
Yes, I think we had the “nominating Romney is a terrible idea” bit covered by February 2012, at the latest.
He could not sell to the white working class, SO necessary to a GOP victory, SO despised by the GOPe.
Go white, go Right, or go home. That’s the formula for 2016.
There is no fantasy to clear logic.
If enough people vote for a candidate, they win.
If you have a candidate on the ballot who you agree with but vote for someone whom you do not just to ‘win’, you are contributing to the problem.
Now go ahead and tell me that is in any way incorrect with a straight face. No amount of verbiage gets around that clear and simple fact. And all the Romney voters got exactly what for abandoning their principles? I’ll tell you.
You got a GOP that saw the base would vote for them no matter how lib thery got. See Rubio/Gang of Ocho. See the Pubs rushing to support gay marriage. See the Pubs voting with Dems on Gun control....where all such was almost unheard of pre Romney vote.
Again. Tell me that did not happen with a straight face.
See your country die as a result of it.
This is a conservative country and a conservative Republican party that can’t nominate conservative candidates. Until we can fix that problem, we will continue to lose.
How do you do that when people keep voting for lib ‘republicans’?
This should be obvious. Until you force the GOP right, they will keep going left. And Psych 101, you do not do that by giving them the means (votes) to keep going left.
Again, show where that is logically wrong. Since it isn’t and no one can, perhaps it’s time to stop making extra-pecial excuses for doing what we collectively do and STOP DOING THAT.
And you are a petty liar.
Go ahead, find the post where I supported Romney before he won the primary. go ahead, show all of us. You won't and can't because you know it's not true.
You on the other hand supported Bambi, his Marxism, his pro-muzzie administration, his total let's destroy the US attitude by claiming that somehow Romney was no better than that destructive machine, that Romney was the same, yada, yada, yada.....
you are both totally insane, buying the Axelrod spin, and then continuing to spread it.
Your stupidity in supporting Axelrod knows no bounds. Congrats, you won. Now go own it, you should never ever complain about the usurping basturd that is ruling us, you helped reelect him.
I’d be mad if I acted like you did in public too. Well at least John and Lindsay got your back.
Hold your head proudly!
You on the other hand will continue to shriek about the undoing of our nation at the hands of the dems, all the while being a total sucker, thinking yourself "pure" as you spew back the Axelrod spin. You should be proud of reelecting the worst, most destructive administration ever.
Congrats on your intelligence.........I guess.........
WAs Cruz wron about principles or were you? Can’t have it both ways since that would be situational ethics.
Sucks being caught like a rat in a trap huh?
So fedd up mr. principles don’t matter. Which of you is wrong? And say it PROUDLY.
PS: no more answers to your nonsense until you do. Just more mockery.
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