How strange that so many people watch Pastor Osteen’s program and attend his church. Funny - they call themselves Christian, too. It seems that the judges of who’s a Christian and who’s not congregate here on FR - it’s like a religion they have created - one that condemns everyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do to hell. Very strange indeed but very telling.
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
—It seems that the judges of who’s a Christian and who’s not congregate here on FR - it’s like a religion they have created - one that condemns everyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do to hell. Very strange indeed but very telling.—
That’s really not what is going on here. I cannot say who is a Christian, nor can Joel. It is between each person and Jesus. We are not to judge others.
That said, we are instructed to judge the TEACHING of others. I’m not willing to say that any man is going to hell. I, myself, have a rather unconventional vision of hell myself: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2240648/posts
I have no doubt that when Christ returns he will tell us we’re all doing it wrong, Mormons and holy rollers alike.
You said it so eloquently. Thank you.
This is the feel good, everything is rosie and don’t rock the boat saying anything controversial ministry. This guy is no doubt a natural communicator, but he is a bit more polished and less shifty than the other TV evagelists from Jimmy Swaggart to the Bakers.
How strange that you keep spittling forth on these threads yet whine of your disgust at FR for having opposing voices to your mormonISM. Are you sure you want to be at Freerepublic since it is no longer what you demand from it?
You know...I've always found it a weak argument to call someone judgmental about who's in a who's not based on what they believe...especially when all they are doing is following the scriptures. Matter of fact, I have found it a fulfillment of prophecy: 2 Timothy 4:3
Jesus plainly states: "I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: NO ONE comes to the Father except THROUGH me. " Jesus condemns and judges with that statement...I am just a messenger. So...what is more telling? That some Christians stand by that verse and believe it as fact or that a preacher will go on Larry King and say it's not his job to stand by that verse and condemn those who won't believe in Christ as the only way? Saundra...please answer THAT question. WHAT is more telling in your opinion.
John 3:16 says He is the ONLY begotten Son of God. Not another begotten son...but the ONLY. But, in typical Joel Osteen fashion...he won't stand for the truth of scripture. He says "I know there is condemnation but I don't feel that's my place" (Larry King). But...as a pastor...of COURSE its his place.
Col 1:27, 28 - "For to them God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory, whom we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, so that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
Saundra...it just seems to me that your ears itch...and Joel scratches them for you. I would imagine if the Apostle Paul was preaching at the local town square...you probably wouldn't care much for him. You would probably think him judgmental...and kind of obnoxious.
It is actually pretty straightforward. Mormons are not Christians. Doesn’t make them bad people, just not Christian. When a pastor of any Christian church screws that most basic thing up, it calls into question their understanding of Christianity.
Moral equivalency does not a Christian make. You either believe Christ is the son of God sent for ALL mankind and ONLY though him can we come to the Father, or you do not. If you do not (and mormons do not) then you are not a Christian even if you have the name Jesus Christ in the title of your church.
How strange that so many people watch Pastor Osteen’s program and attend his church. Funny - they call themselves Christian, too. It seems that the judges of who’s a Christian and who’s not congregate here on FR - it’s like a religion they have created - one that condemns everyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do to hell. Very strange indeed but very telling.
If you do not believe that THE Holy Bible is THE Word of THE living God and therefore THE Truth then you are going to hell and I will not be damning you to it, you choose it yourself. If you believe in and hold as truth, LIES about the ONE and ONLY Son of the living God, Jesus Christ; then you are bound for hell and I cannot stop you. If you do not accept THE ONLY TRUE Jesus of the Holy Bible as your Lord and Saviour, then you are bound for the pit.
The Jesus of that pack of idiotic lies the BoM, is a created imagination of a con-man by the name of Joseph Smith, may he burn forever and ever amen.
The devil is an angel of light. It would be more strange for a deceiver to have small crowds, not large.
Thanks, Sandy, for once more allowing me to post the TRUE words of your Prophet:
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Sandy, MormonDude is complaining that you are taking up all of his airtime...
Yes, it is telling. We all can tell you've never read the Bible, otherwise you wouldn't be posting such drivel.
How strange that so many people watch Pastor Osteen’s program and attend his church
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Reality TV is popular too
Sandy
The LORD Jesus Christ never had a TV program..
and yet He never had any trouble getting up a crowd..
A successfull TV show and rock concert/Super Bowl numbers are not indictative of sucess with God..
Look at the Mormons...
They have large crowds...
But the truth is not taught there...
When Jesus stood at the bottom of the Summit and spoke to the 5,000 plus wives and children, He didnt use a mic...
There were no special singers of announcements about the next green jelly pot luck...
He was heard by them all as He expounded TRUTH to them..
They left there fed in their bodies and their souls...
Williard Mitt Romney doesnt know or believe in the REAL LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible...he never met Him..
This is not about whether or not Romney has ever repented of his sins and was born again...
This thread is merely to try to twist Christians into voting for an unpalatable candidate..
As a man Romneuy is weak and of low3 charactor
as a religious person he chooses to follow a pagan anti-Christian belief..
As a candidate he does not measure up to the expectations of Conservative voters..
As for your subtefuge..
All Sandy gets is a penny a day cause she cant work any faster..