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Hillary Clinton Fans Pat Caddell And Doug Schoen Are Living In A Fantasy World
Mediaite ^ | November 23, 2011 | Tommy Christopher

Posted on 11/24/2011 8:02:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In a recent op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Fox News contributors Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen urged President Obama to “abandon his candidacy for re-election” in favor of “the one candidate who would become, by acclamation, the nominee of the Democratic Party: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.”

Their premise is that Sec. Clinton not only has a better chance to win, but “is the only leader capable of uniting the country around a bipartisan economic and foreign policy.”

Now, most liberals will take one look at that byline and say “Who cares what a couple of ‘Fox News Democrats’ have to say?”

That’s an excellent point, not because Schoen and Caddell are Fox News contributors, but because their idea is so laughably unserious, it really doesn’t merit any pushback. Aside from conservatives who already hate President Obama, there’s really only one audience for this: the remnants of disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who still haven’t gotten over the bitter 2008 Democratic primary. It is out of affection for them that I even bother writing about this.

Let’s set aside the “merits” of Caddell and Schoen’s premise that the President could govern more effectively as a lame duck, or that President Obama has been the “overtly partisan” cause of ”two years of political gridlock at a time when we can ill afford it.”

Concede, even, that Hillary Clinton could win a Democratic primary. She was an excellent candidate in 2008, but she ran a disastrous campaign, overseen by Schoen partner Mark Penn. This time would hopefully be better. Schoen and Caddell labor under a fantasy that has overtaken many a Clintonista, and has been fueled by lots of conservative pro-Hillary talk since 2008:

But this is about more than electoral politics. Not only is Mrs. Clinton better positioned to win in 2012 than Mr. Obama, but she is better positioned to govern if she does. Given her strong public support, she has the ability to step above partisan politics, reach out to Republicans, change the dialogue, and break the gridlock in Washington.

When faced with the choice between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in 2008, and with Obama’s election to the presidency, conservatives began to talk Hillary up, and have continued to do so since, constructing the myth that President Hillary Clinton could have united the country in a bipartisan Shangri-La with her new Republican admirers. Those who believe this have been taken in by a crocodile’s grin.

As an alternative to Barack Obama, conservatives love Hillary Clinton, but without him to kick around, they would almost certainly revert to their default position on all things Clinton. Have these people forgotten how much the right wing absolutely hated Hillary Clinton?

As bad as the anti-Obama craziness has been, it was ten times worse for the Clintons, especially Hillary. President Obama gets accused of being a secret Muslim, or a covert Kenyan, but back in the day, these people actually accused Hillary Clinton of murder. That’s just what they would say openly. You wouldn’t believe the craziness that bubbled and squeaked in the wingnut-o-sphere for years.

Republicans aren’t obstructing Barack Obama because they want to share power with the right Democrat, they’re obstructing President Obama because they want to take power from the Democrats. Whatever you see them doing now to President Obama, they would multiply exponentially under President Clinton II. That kind of argument, though, appeals to many Democrats, who never met a Republican they couldn’t roll over for.

Hillary Clinton may run for president in 2016, and if she does, I hope she wins, but the idea that Republicans would be tripping over themselves to help her govern is sheer fantasy.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 2012; caddell; democrats; dougschoen; hillary; obama; patcaddell; schoen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Schoen is a moron, but Pat Caddell has fairly regular bouts of sanity, and often has the best read on Democrat strategy, but this ain’t it.

Even Democrats wouldn’t nominate Hillary in 2008, and while they may not be happy with O they sure don’t want to relive those thrilling days of blue stained dresses and Rose Law records.

But don’t overlook their key message here: Two Democrat pundits saying Hillary is “the only leader capable...”

Not Obama.

Not any other Democrat.

That’s hugh.


21 posted on 11/24/2011 9:39:49 AM PST by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Sociopath of State???...The Grandmother of Obamacare/Totalitariancare???

Run, Hillaryous, Run.


22 posted on 11/24/2011 10:19:55 AM PST by PGalt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Caddell and Schoen are in a fantasy world then
sooner or later it is entirely possible that they
would encounter Christopher, the editorial writer
who is every bit the resident of la-la land as they.


23 posted on 11/24/2011 11:09:02 AM PST by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: CaptainK

..nope....was referring to how easily she started knocking down shots while campaigning in bars


24 posted on 11/24/2011 12:34:20 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Cicero; All
And the Clinton body count has been well established. Most can be laid at Clintbilly's door, but several have Hillary's fingerprints all over them.

In the case of Vincent Foster's death, all credible evidence points to murder. If one reviews the relationships between the victim and each of the Clintons, the events that played out at the time of his death, and considers the facts that (1) "suicide" was the operative word at the White House and just about the entire federal government from that time on and (2) no serious official homicide investigation was ever done, there is no mistaking the logical conclusion that both Clintons are very hot suspects in that case.

The only job she ever held was orchestrating Watergate at the Rose Law Firm.

I think you meant orchestrating Whitewater at the Rose Law Firm. BTW, young HRC was active in Washington during the Watergate era as a legal researcher for the Democrat-controlled House Judiciary Committee, contributing to their plans to impeach Nixon.

25 posted on 11/24/2011 9:01:27 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: bigbob

Unless I’m misunderstanding it, Hillary came VERY close to winning the nom in 2008, and IIRC, she rec’d more votes than Obama, if caucuses are excluded, or something or other ;)


26 posted on 11/25/2011 8:28:00 PM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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