Posted on 11/13/2011 8:41:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Herman Cain's wife says the claims of sex harassment against the GOP presidential candidate don't ring true because he "totally respects women."
Gloria Cain told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren: "I'm thinking he would have to have a split personality to do the things that were said."
In an interview to be aired Monday during the show "On the Record," Gloria Cain said she can't believe the claims he harassed women when he led the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s....
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Claiming sexual harassment is the easiest method of knocking down a juicy severance package.
One the one hand, I could see a man acting different towards women in the presence of his wife than when she wasn’t there.
On the other hand, I doubt Romney/Rove/Axelshaft would have any problem digging up four women from ANYONE’s past and bribing/blackmailing them into claiming he groped them.
Rove got divorced from his 2nd wife in 2009. I wonder if he was messing around?
If such charges were brought against Rove, Axelrod or Ayers, I doubt they’d be coming from the distaff side, if you take my meaning.
But all of the offended parties seem to have come from Cain's tenure at the National Restaurant Association. Was this something that he only did there? That, in and of itself, raises serious doubts in my mind about the charges. If he had behaved as badly there as is being claimed, there would have been similar incidents before and after his time there.
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That is an incorrect statement. However, it has gotten a lot of play the past few weeks. No source though.
And kind of insulting to women, although most people don't think about it enough to actually realize that. It's just a cool sound bite of the kind we have taken to using instead of our brains.
I suggest people use their brains, do some research, and be educated and informed so we don't keep repeating "facts" that make us look like idiots.
I'll give you a tidbit. In 1988, there were around 17,000 resolutions of EEOC and state/local-filed harrassment complaints (these are the complaints that made it far enough to get reported somewhere, which is a precursor to making any serious money).
In 1988, the total amount paid out for those 17,000 resolutions was about $34 million. That's about $2000 per resolution. Of those 17,000 resolved cases, 40% were actually dismissed. A lot more were "resolved" with no payments, through reconciliation or other forms of agreement.
There may have been as few as 3500 payouts from those 17,000 cases, which includes ones where there was clear harrassment. That translates to about $14,000 per successful claim.
Filing harrassment complaints is not an easy way to get paid off. If it were, everybody would do it. It instead is a great way to get labelled a trouble-maker. If you are lucky, you can get non-disclosure so your employer can't tell the next employer.
It is sad that so many freepers really believe that women can just make up a complaint and get paid thousands of dollars. It clearly happens -- but it's not the norm. It seemed to have happened in Cain's case, but that's true without having to pretend it happens all the time.
I guess it’s fortunate then that such tactics are so rare that there are almost no candidates who are ever hit with false claims of sexual harrasssment. It’s bad enough if it happens once, it’s a good thing it doesn’t happen to every candidate in every election.
It could well be that you have overestimated how easy it is.
It probably isn’t all that helpful having your wife vouch for you. A high percentage of wives do end up defending their husbands against both false and true harrassment claims. A small number leave over false or true claims.
It is certainly better if you can get your wife to vouch for you. If she doesn’t, people assume it’s because she thinks you are guilty. But that’s about all it’s good for.
Did they time travel to the 1990s and create those two NRA agreements too? Come on.
I worked for a Fortune 1000 Company that paid out on plenty of nuisance suits from those who were 'allegedly' made to feel uncomfortable by male co-workers or superiors.
Sexual harassment became a growth industry in the 90's. Not only did our company make several cash settlements that I knew of, all of our managers and supervisors had to sit through hours of ridiculous training classes put on by dullards sucking at the government trough and getting paid to spew foolish notions designed by government hacks to allow another step of "getting even" for slackers and malcontents.
I still don’t know what “all” we’re talking about.
1. Sharon Bialek. Two bankruptcies. Lied about having a fiance’. Paternity dispute with child’s father. From Chicago, where Cain never worked. Lived in same building as Axelrod. Who is paying Gloria Allred?
2. Karen Kr... however you spell her last name. Received between $35k and $45k agreement from National Restaurant Association, with no admission of guilt. NRA released her from confidentiality clause, saying she is free to talk about it all she wants. She has chosen not to say a word. She was going to do a joint press conference, but has had no other “accusers” respond to her request. She made similar allegations at her subsequent place of employment. She works for Obama.
Who else?
3. Was the person who claimed Cain left them with the check for expensive wine at dinner. Not harassment.
4. Was the woman who said Cain asked her to set him up with a woman for dinner after she asked a question at one of his speaking engagements. The woman “had a bad feeling” about his intentions, or something like that, so they made it a group dinner instead. Not harassment.
5. Was the conservative radio host (a man) who said Cain asked a woman to “doctor his tea.” The woman didn’t complain, as far as we know. Not harassment.
So where are the so-called other accusers?
Are there only two?
I don’t question your research, and I agree with your overall conclusion that this is not a good way to get rich quick. From my experience as a manager in a Fortune 50 company, the first think that happens is HR gets involved, and everything gets documented. Everyone is interviewed, and tough questions asked. They look for corraboration by interviewing people who worked with those involved but typically do not disclose that a complaint has been lodged. In the business world at least, a lot get resolved at this point, and the several I was personally involved with were found to be baseless, and went no further. The next step is an EEOC filing, and that’s where I suspect your statistics come from.
My point is, many claims don’t make it that far, and if they are found to frivolous, attempts to seek revenge, or whatever - making a false allegation would be treated as a performance issue and may well result in dismissal, with or without severance.
On the other end, there are what you might call “high profile complaints”, which do result in cash settlements that are never known publicly. One example I know of involved a secretary to a general manager. I happen to know the settlement was in the mid five figures, but very few people were aware it even happened, and it darn sure never was reported to EEOC.
Can you find the same data for a more recent year? Say 1999 or 2008 ?
Just to put it in perspective, since 1988 was over 20 yrs ago.
Rove maybe. Doubt if the other two are craft enough. Wasn't aware of the agreements. Haven't been following the Cain business too much.
Just a final comment that I forgot to add.
Mr. Cain has stated unequivocally that there was no “settlement” (as the result of a sexual harassment claim) in the NRA case, but rather a severance agreement with the employee after her claim was found to be without merit. Most people (including most TV pundits) can’t or don’t want to understand the difference, but as I stated, if a person lies or fabricates a harassment claim, that can result in disciplinary action, and depending on company policy, possibly a severance package. And severance packages commonly require a contract covering non-compete, confidential information, and whatever else may be relevant - including agreement not to disclose the terms of the agreement to 3rd parties. Everything that has come to likght regarding the NRA situation is consistent with this.
And, as I think we all understand, Ms. Bialek’s claim might be some sort of sexual assault (unwanted touching), but it cannot be sexual harassment as defined by EEOC law, because she was not an employee of the NRA at the time she alleges it happened.
First you said, “It probably isn’t all that helpful having your wife vouch for you.”
Then you said, “It is certainly better if you can get your wife to vouch for you.”
Have you possibly been hitting the ‘contradictory sauce’, Charles?
That would also explain your previous post.
Females using the ‘come on approach’ have been the tool used to get the ‘out’ stuff on private and public managers for years. Didn’t work one time in my experience.
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