Posted on 10/01/2008 5:09:01 PM PDT by Publius804
This is looking uglier & uglier:
Obama/Biden 353 McCain/Palin 185
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
I agree. Plus I wonder about some kind of poll exhaustion factor. We have been polled so often and for so long on this marathon presidential campaign that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the results get more and more inaccurate as we get to November just because people are tired of answering prying questions.
When I heard Frank Lutz answer O’Reilly’s question: WHY the VIEW?
And he answered, because that’s “average America”...
I was permanently done with this silliness.
Nov. 4th will get here soon enough, till then everyone needs to relax.
Virginia
PLEASE USE THIS LINK **NOW** I WAS NOT ABLE TO USE THE GOP LINK above AND THIS IS DIRECT MCCAIN PALIN
Oh.
He won’t change any minds in western MD, that’s for sure.
It’s McCain signs everywhere, here...for all the good it’ll do us.
i thought so too... however, he is polling so badly since the last bill failed... and he is seen as at fault... so why didn't his numbers go up? please explain it to me... i thought he would be doing better...
how did that work..?
From another fellow North Carolinian -- You are absolutely right! No way will Obama carry NC
From another fellow North Carolinian -- You are absolutely right! No way will Obama carry NC
then i just wish he wouldn't have dragged Palin into the quagmire... she would have been golden four years from now... i can't see her being a major player if McCain loses this election... she will go back to Alaska and be out of the national eye...
“I wonder if that report was an error, or if perhaps our fellow FR members was quoting old polls.”
Probably old polls. Nothing on the Zogby site.
Actually, Barry's lead in both the WaPo/ABC poll and the Gallup daily tracking poll have been cut in half in the last week, so each is within a point of the margin of error. Two polls don't make a trend, but the panic on this thread and others is hardly warranted.
Churchill had it right: Never give in. Never give in. Never.
That one is the "actual" situation. The one you posted is "without toss ups."
And finally. Polls have been used to destroy us as a propaganda tool in previous elections. (Here I go again)
In 1996, the polls had Senator Robert Dole, a fine veteran and a great American, down as much as 28% against Clinton almost all the way to election day. Actual result? He lost by around 8%.
Now, IF CBS hadn't called Georgia erroneously for Clinton early in the evening in 1996 (an ominous prelude to the Florida debacle in 2000, where the networks called Florida erroneously and early for Gore,) and IF they hadn't posted such slanted polls all summer, what would his chances have been? How many people stayed home thinking Sen. Dole was going to get his clock cleaned and their vote didn't matter? Worse, he had 3rd Party interference from Perot who pulled many of the financial conservatives. No Perot, no media bias, Bob Dole would have been our President.
So, we must guard ourselves against these polls and the fact they have been slanted in the past and used as voter suppression tools.
Yes, legislation was passed after the 1996 Election to force polls to report demographics, stopped them from using "caller lists" (they get the result they want from a caller, they put them on a list and call them the next time to ensure result).
Example from 1996. This was caught by a FReeper: An LA Times poll showed a national lead of 18% for Clinton vs Dole. (If you are concerned now, consider how THAT felt) Other questions in the poll allowed a FR math whiz (forget his handle) to mathematically determine the gender of the respondents. Some questions affected only females, etc. By this he was able to mathematically determine that somewhere around 65% of the respondents were women. Women as a voting class largely supported Clinton, and they make up just over 52% of the population in reality. Thus, the poll was slanted for Clinton by around 13%.
Just recently, an ABC poll was outed by Rush (and probably others) as having a disproportional amount of Democrats (38% Dems, 28% GOP).
So they have proven they are not quite done using polls as propaganda. Just today ABC News Radio reported that the Quinnipiac Poll showed Obama leading in OH and PA, along with stern voiced commentary that McCain cannot win by losing those states. FACT: Any New York College Poll is always OFF THE MARK. One of the worst NY Polls was the PEW POLL, suspected as being on the payroll of the Clinton machine. ANY POLL BASED IN NY SHOULD BE SUSPECTED AS PARTISAN UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE. Also, any polls sponsored by LIBERAL NEWS RAGS. The old saying holds true... you get what you pay for. The LA Times is not going to pay for polls that show conservatives leading. Period.
The only poll that counts is the voting booth. Vote, and let them try to explain how we won later.
Mac has just a good a chance to take 270 as hussein does....
infact, troll, I am sure of it.....
he'll keep the bush states except for maybe New Mexico and Iowa.....he still wins....
polls are meant to dissuade and discourage....
if they prevent you from voting, you are no patriot....
how many candidates have there been that were being crushed by the polls yet came away with a win?...lots....keep that in mind you negative nancys' out there...
There’s still five weeks left in the campaign but McCain needs CO to win and doesn’t look he’s getting any traction there.
NEVER GIVE UP...NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP.....
some of you seem like you've never faced a single problem in your life...
some of you don't seem to know what to do when the going gets tough....
are you spineless?...just plain old yellow?.....
what is the problem with some freepers that they seem like they WANT failure.....
I just don't get it, but this isn't the old Freeper site where we had God honest patriots hanging about, fighting the good fight....
we used to say " EAGLES UP" when there were difficult situations...
now, we have a bunch here who would rather say "I GIVE UP"....
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