The Huckabee (Immigration) Plan

PoliPundit ^ | December 08th, 2007

[2ndDivisionVet]

Mike Huckabee’s just-announced plan to stop illegal immigration is about as tough as Fred Thompson’s. It includes the border fence and the employer verification measures that are important to pro-borders voters like me.

NumbersUSA now gives Huckabee’s promises scores that are almost as good as the ones it gives Thompson’s.

It’s heartening to see Huckabee move so far on this issue; as a governor, he was much more sympathetic to illegal aliens, even supporting special scholarships for them that were not available to US citizens.

With Republican presidential candidates endorsing strong pro-borders measures, our prospects of getting the SAVE Act through Congress next year, and of creating similar movement among Democrat politicians, have significantly improved.

[ejonesie22]

Actually you may have a better shot given the MOE...

[ejonesie22]

No we vote for a Conservative who also so happens to have a shot at winning.

Remember you liked Fred until he did not buy your little "Fair Tax" scheme...

And no I do not want to hear about it, again, or turn this thread into another sales pitch for an idea that will never happen.

[gubamyster]

ping

[dalereed]

Pandering liar!

[TomGuy]

This a more detailed thread of the plan:

Huckabee 's Plan for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security

Posted by dano1 On News/Activism 12/06/2007 9:41:49 AM CST · 51 replies Townhall.com ^ | 12/6/2007 Huckabee's Plan for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security Today Governor Mike Huckabee is releasing "The Secure America Plan: A 9-Point Strategy for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security."  For your reading pleasure, here it is: 1.      Build the Fence  Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010. Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010.  2.      Increase Border Patrol Increase the number of border patrol agents.Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law.  3.      Prevent Amnesty Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected....

[TLI]

The socialist media has been successful convincing you of the outcome before anything has happened. Hunter is not a quitter.

Didn't say he was and neither am I. If you think I believe ANYTHING from DBM you are grasping at straws to defend your position.

As a matter of fact I went back through my own posts and I found the one where I first stated a Thompson-Hunter team. It was based on looking at the available candidates. That was on March 23, 2007.

I have been promoting a Thompson-Hunter team ever since and have not "reevaluated," flip-flopped or in any way altered my original pick based on their histories and voting records.

It's time for the bs to stop and time for the counter-attack on the propaganda machine pushing Huck/Rooty/Mitt They are nothing more that plausible deniability for loosing to Hillery.

[John Valentine]

If I had one, I’d send you an engraved invitation to join the real world.

Whatever chance Fred Thompson may have at the nomination, there is a plausible if uphill scenario that gets him there.

I have yet to hear a winning scenario for Duncan Hunter that is anything but sheer imagination.

I say that despite Hunter being a man of honor, integrity and ability. Thats not in dispute. As for folks who are committed to support him to the end, I admire your tenacity.

I’d hope that you’d show the same respect for us who are backing another strong, lifelong conservative and not try to attach the “socialist media” to Fred Thompson’s campaign. It’s insulting, first off, and it’s also ludicrous.

[chicagolady]

I am a Duncun Munchkin!!

[chicagolady]

ALL illegals ALL the time!

[Man50D]

Remember you liked Fred until he did not buy your little "Fair Tax" scheme...

Your memory is playing tricks on you. I never posted support for any candidate prior to supporting Hunter. I stated such several times to people who assumed I was against Thompson base on remarks I had made about Thompson's late entry.

[supercat]

Whatever chance Fred Thompson may have at the nomination, there is a plausible if uphill scenario that gets him there.

I have yet to hear a winning scenario for Duncan Hunter that is anything but sheer imagination.

Agreed. I expect that many supporters of Romney, McCain, Huckabee, or Hunter would consider Fred Thompson to be their second choice. I would doubt that many people would list Duncan Hunter as their second choice, other than those who listed Fred Thompson as their first. The only people I would expect would put Duncan Hunter ahead of Thompson are those for whom Duncan Hunter is the first choice. And there just don't seem to be a whole lot of those.

[Man50D]

Whatever chance Fred Thompson may have at the nomination, there is a plausible if uphill scenario that gets him there.

Your statement lack any credibility without referencing the source of your alleged plausibility.

I have yet to hear a winning scenario for Duncan Hunter that is anything but sheer imagination.

Then you haven't bothered to visit his website.

I’d hope that you’d show the same respect for us who are backing another strong, lifelong conservative and not try to attach the “socialist media” to Fred Thompson’s campaign. It’s insulting, first off, and it’s also ludicrous.

You should heed your own advice. The media's socialist bent is a fact regardless of the candidate and somehow you interpret that as singling out Thompson and then demand respect while at the same time show disrespect by summarily dismissing Hunter based on a preconceived notion long before the outcome. Don't look now but your hypocrisy is showing. The only ludicrous point to your argument is assuming anyone is out solely based on media bias.

[wardaddy]

I don’t believe it.....Tyson must be laughing his fat ass off

[John Valentine]

I only want to respond to your final comment. Of course I know that the media is socialist to the core. My objection is that you have implied that Thompson is somehow one of the socialist media’s darlings. Nonsense.

[Man50D]

I expect that many supporters of Romney, McCain, Huckabee, or Hunter would consider Fred Thompson to be their second choice.

That's simply another assumption based on media speculation.

I would doubt that many people would list Duncan Hunter as their second choice, other than those who listed Fred Thompson as their first. The only people I would expect would put Duncan Hunter ahead of Thompson are those for whom Duncan Hunter is the first choice. And there just don't seem to be a whole lot of those.

So now you presume to speak for millions of people? All these remarks based on assumptions instead of facts remind me of Kirk Hirbstreit of ESPN stating last week as fact Les Miles was definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, leaving his head coaching position at LSU for Michigan based on Hirbstreit's multiple "reliable sources". The only problem was the media forgot to tell Les Miles. Miles had to go to the extreme of holding a press conference two hours before their game SEC Championship game last Saturday to refute the media generated rumor so his team could concentrate on the game! Hirbstriet then tried to spin it by stating Miles may just be bluffing until after the season. Once again the media blew it when LSU announced this week Miles had extended his contract. So you'll pardon me if I take the assumptions against Hunter based on media bias with a grain of salt.

[Man50D]

My objection is that you have implied that Thompson is somehow one of the socialist media’s darlings

How convenient for you to spin my statements to fit your argument. In none of them did I refer to Thompson as the socialist media's darling.

[ejonesie22]

Hell you posted it if I remember, because Fred had said something about taxes you took as positive.

And note, I said liked, not support. You have gone way the other direction now.

[Man50D]

Hell you posted it if I remember, because Fred had said something about taxes you took as positive.

He was on tape as having supported the Fair Tax. he has since then flip flopped to now supporting a flat tax. That is a far cry from stating I supported him.

And note, I said liked, not support. You have gone way the other direction now.

Not only are you now presuming to know what I'm thinking but you are also parsing words. I support only those people I like. Any reasonable person would interpret that word the same way. It would be unreasonable to presume a person supports someone they don't like.

[supercat]

I expect that many supporters of Romney, McCain, Huckabee, or Hunter would consider Fred Thompson to be their second choice.

That's simply another assumption based on media speculation.

It's not based on media speculation; it's based on mentally sketching out probable reasons for voters to favor one candidate over another. Many of the factors that would cause voters to prefer one candidate over another are also reasonably favorable to Fred Thompson. Someone who favors Huckabee because of his abortion stance, for example, would likely favor Thompson's and Hunter's stances over those of Giuliani and Romney.

As for the direct competition between Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson, I guess I find it hard to imagine why someone who supports Duncan Hunter over Fred Thompson wouldn't also support him over Huckabee, Romney, McCain, and Giuliani. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

[Rick_Michael]

And Lincoln only one, because the democrats (the opposing party at the time) split. It’s near impossible for a representive to win an election. Even Lincoln wouldn’t have, if it weren’t for that split.