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Virginia Campaign News - October 10, 2005 - Thread XXV - 4 more weeks
various | October 10, 2005 | various

Posted on 10/10/2005 6:08:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands

Weekly wrapup of Virginia Campaign News. Post 'em if you've got 'em...

Last Week's Thread:

Virginia Campaign News - October, 3 2005 - Thread XXIV - 36 days and counting...

From the RTD:

Kaine,Kilgore square off in final planned match
by Tyler Whitley
Before a statewide audience, Republican gubernatorial candidate Jerry W. Kilgore and Democrat Timothy M. Kaine clashed over taxes, the death penalty and abortion last night.

Quotes from the Kaine and Kilgore debate

A few students put civics first
They watch debate, not sports; Northern Va. gets no live telecast
by Kiran Krishamurthy and Paul Bradley
FREDERICKSBURG -- Timothy M. Kaine and Jerry W. Kilgore both may have lost last night's debate to an extra-innings Atlanta Braves game and a longer-than-expected Washington Redskins outing.

Potts has his say after debate ends
Candidate answers questions for WTVR; broadcast plans not set
by Pamela Stallsmith
H. Russell Potts Jr. virtually joined the debate, but the question is when the public will see it.



TOPICS: Virginia; Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls; State and Local; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: allen; bolling; byrne; campaign; debate; deeds; governor; imissyouthag; jerrykilgore; kaine; kilgore; mcdonnell; senate; virginia; warner
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1 posted on 10/10/2005 6:08:23 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; ...

4 more weeks ping...


2 posted on 10/10/2005 6:09:09 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, I’m not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Kilgore campaign response to the debate:

Kilgore Wins Final Gubernatorial Debate
Republican Draws Contrast Between Himself and Liberal Candidate Tim Kaine

October 9, 2005
Contact: Tim Murtaugh or Tucker Martin (804) 421-9966

--Tim Kaine Exposed as Most Liberal Candidate for Governor in Modern Times--

RICHMOND - Former Attorney General and Republican nominee for Governor Jerry Kilgore succeeded in drawing contrasts between himself and liberal Democrat candidate Tim Kaine in the final debate of the 2005 campaign at the studios of WWBT-TV. Kilgore repeatedly highlighted his own achievements and proposals and drew sharp distinctions between his own public service and that of Kaine's as Mayor of Richmond and Lieutenant Governor.

"After tonight's debate, it is more certain than ever that voters have a clear choice this year for Governor," Kilgore said. "Never before have the two major parties nominated two more different candidates. As one newspaper put it earlier this year, voters will have a choice between a classic conservative and a classic liberal."

Kilgore persistently made references to Kaine's failure of leadership as the Mayor of Richmond, a city that was mired in mediocrity, scandals, crime and substandard public schools. In addition, Kilgore highlighted Kaine's consistent support for higher taxes and a member of City Council, as Mayor and as Lieutenant Governor.

Tim Kaine appeared rattled and shaken as his liberal record was brought to the forefront throughout the debate. He made it clear he opposes the death penalty. He supports higher taxes. And he stands firm in support of taxpayer benefits for illegal aliens.

Kilgore commented further on Kaine's liberal view on taxes noting, "Tim Kaine has made it apparent that he views the taxpayers as the people who will foot the bill for every big government program he cooks up," Kilgore said. "His first answer to every problem is to raise taxes and throw more money down the well."

Kilgore pointed to his own record of achievement for the people of Virginia as Attorney General and as Secretary of Public Safety under Governor George Allen. As Attorney General, Kilgore amassed a strong record on law enforcement issues, which included the successful passage of 104 pieces of legislation more than any other Attorney General in history. As Secretary of Public Safety, Kilgore was the leader on many of the most significant achievements of the Allen Administration, including the abolition of parole and reform of the juvenile justice system.

"We have made sweeping reforms in Virginia that have improved the quality of life for our citizens," Kilgore said. "I am running on a record of results and the promise of honest reform in the way we conduct business. I will reform the education system by paying our better teachers better salaries. We will reform the way we approach transportation so we can get traffic moving again. And as Governor, I will wake up everyday and take the role of the optimistic economic development leader to create more jobs and opportunity for all Virginians."

3 posted on 10/10/2005 6:13:14 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, I’m not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Final debate already? Seems fairly early. I caught just a few moments of it last night on CSPAN. Kaine is pretty telegenic. But I liked Kilgore's comments on immigration and "what part of illegal doesn't he understand." Sounds like a winning issue.

Really important for the Republican to win or of course the media will be screaming about what a huge defeat this is for GWB and the national GOP. Though in 2001, when Mr Bush's popularity was very high, it didn't do much to help Republican candidates in VA or NJ then.


4 posted on 10/10/2005 6:36:47 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: TNCMAXQ

Kilgore only agreed to three debates. That was way back when he had a 10 pt. lead and was calling all the shots.

Commentary I heard this morning was that "Kilgore did what he needed to do." But I don't know.

Yes, this is crucial for the Republicans. We know we're not going to carry NJ. This has implications for 2006 when George Allen runs for re-election and for 2008 as well.

As for 2001, I argued on here that in the first 2-3 weeks following 9/11 that Bush could have come to Virginia to turn things around for Mark Earley. Both Bush and Cheney cancelled campaign appearances after the attacks.

But in retrospect, Earley had lost that race by August. He just didn't campaign with the same enthusiasm he'd shown when he ran for Attorney General.

Kilgore's campaign hasn't been perfect. But it's not because he's not trying and not working hard. Plus we're up against a lying media and current Admin.

I ~think~ Kilgore will put it off. But it will be close.


5 posted on 10/10/2005 7:29:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, I’m not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Anyone headed out there?

Saturday, October 15, 2005
1st Annual Republican Round-Up featuring Congressman Eric Cantor & Jerry Kilgore
Bring your entire family and friends! Cost: FREE!!! For more information please call Mackenzie at 804-714-5571 4:00 7:00 pm
Innsbrook Pavilion, Glen Allen, Virginia

6 posted on 10/10/2005 10:03:43 AM PDT by jla
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To: Corin Stormhands
...I threw the card away I rec'd in the mail.
What time does the above event begin?
7 posted on 10/10/2005 10:05:38 AM PDT by jla
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To: Corin Stormhands

Um, ignore prev post. (LOL)


8 posted on 10/10/2005 10:06:39 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla

I'd like to go, but I'm backed up with rehearsals for our church Christmas production and the fact that it's my son's homecoming dance.

If he digs himself out of the very very deep hole is in at home and with two different girls, I ~might~ be providing transportation.


9 posted on 10/10/2005 10:30:56 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, I’m not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: jla

My wife and I will be there. I think we'll be helping out at the climbing wall from 6-7.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 10:37:54 AM PDT by Nick The Freeper
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To: Corin Stormhands
I ~think~ Kilgore will put it off. But it will be close.

Not a good time to get a manicure, is it?????

11 posted on 10/10/2005 11:05:00 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
Not a good time to get a manicure, is it?????

Heh...I'm just telling the personal trainer that all bets are off for Election Night.

Alcohol will be consumed.

12 posted on 10/10/2005 11:06:45 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, I’m not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Alcohol will be consumed.

I equate watching election returns with fishig, bowling and golf.........alcohol consumption is MANDATORY :)

13 posted on 10/10/2005 11:29:14 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Corin Stormhands
If he digs himself out of the very very deep hole is in at home and with two different girls, I ~might~ be providing transportation.

Ah, to be young again and have to endure such hardships.

14 posted on 10/10/2005 12:49:20 PM PDT by jla
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To: Nick The Freeper

OK, I'll walk over to the climbing wall and ask for Nick.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 1:11:44 PM PDT by jla
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Big-name Democrats campaigning for Kaine
October 10, 2005


More national Democrats are coming to Virginia to campaign for gubernatorial candidate Timothy M. Kaine.

Later this week, retired Gen. Wesley Clark will campaign with Mr. Kaine.

Gen. Clark, who failed to win the presidential nomination in 2004, will appear with Mr. Kaine tomorrow and Wednesday. He also will do a fundraiser for Mr. Kaine, the lieutenant governor.

Gen. Clark is also featured in Internet ads for Mr. Kaine, including one on the liberal Web log Daily Kos (www.dailykos.com).

So far, Mr. Kaine has received the help of former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. Mr. Edwards ran for president last year and was the running mate of Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.

Also helping Mr. Kaine was Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut Democrat, and Sen. Barack Obama, Illinois Democrat.

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20051009-103632-6506r.htm


16 posted on 10/10/2005 1:54:01 PM PDT by Ligeia (It's time to sign up and help Jerry Kilgore!)
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Kilgore, Kaine spar over illegals, taxes
By Christina Bellantoni
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 10, 2005


RICHMOND -- Jerry W. Kilgore and Timothy M. Kaine clashed last night over taxes, abortion, the death penalty and illegal aliens in their final debate before Virginians go to the polls Nov. 8 to choose a new governor.

The debate, the first and only to be televised statewide, was the third between the two men, who are neck and neck in the polls.

Mr. Kilgore, a Republican, and Mr. Kaine, a Democrat, sparred over the $1.38 billion tax-increase package passed by the Republican-controlled legislature in May 2004.

Mr. Kilgore, who opposed the increase, said a healthy state economy and budget surplus prove that it was unnecessary. He also has promised to allow voters to weigh in on any future tax increases.

"Taxation is the most basic relationship between a people and its government," Mr. Kilgore said. "I trust the people to make decisions on whether they want to pay more in taxes or less in taxes. ... [Mr. Kaine] campaigned in 2001 pledging not to raise your taxes, yet he passed on the most massive tax increase in Virginia history."

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20051010-121712-9815r.htm


17 posted on 10/10/2005 1:56:59 PM PDT by Ligeia (It's time to sign up and help Jerry Kilgore!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

WMAL is hosting an online poll regarding Jerry Kilgore's accent and how it plays in arrogant northern Virginia. It's going to be a topic sometime between 6 and 9 p.m. this evening.

To vote:

http://www.wmal.com/showdj.asp?DJID=2173

To listen online:

http://www.wmal.com/listenlive.asp


18 posted on 10/10/2005 2:02:16 PM PDT by Ligeia (It's time to sign up and help Jerry Kilgore!)
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To: Ligeia; Corin Stormhands

Kaine is senting in the big guns to go all out for him. The RATS are playing for keeps.

The question is, will the GOP do the same for Kilgore?


19 posted on 10/10/2005 7:54:20 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool

Young Professionals 4 Kilgore hosted a fundraiser with Senator Brownback and Karl Rove is coming this Saturday. That's all I can think of so far in my neck of the woods. Hopefully, we'll see more this last month.


20 posted on 10/11/2005 4:11:50 AM PDT by Ligeia (It's time to sign up and help Jerry Kilgore!)
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