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Responding to the Looney Left
Self | 4/14/2005 | justme24

Posted on 04/14/2005 7:02:16 AM PDT by justme24

I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly, I'm a newbie here so go easy on me. I'm trying to identify organizations and potential financial backers for a conservative web-based program that will counter the radical left (Air America, John Stewart, Howard Stern, etc.). It'll combine facts, stats, and humor to deconstruct the nonsense the left puts out. It will appeal to a broad multi-cultural, younger audience. Can anyone suggest resources - websites, contacts, etc. to help get the ball rolling?


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A new Web-based Counter to the John Stewart, Howard Stern, Radical Pie Throwers
1 posted on 04/14/2005 7:02:16 AM PDT by justme24
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To: justme24

Guess what?

You just found it.

And if you're actually serious about this, head over to Brent Bozell's outfit and take a look around:

http://www.mrc.org

I think he (and FR) are way ahead of you.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 7:39:05 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: Mad Mammoth

With all do respect, I think you're missing my point - I realize there are watchdogs out there, what I am talking about is a radio/TV show - a response to John Stewart's show - where you cover the news and point out the absrudities (of the left). Where you play Moore/Stern like pranks on libs. More than just uncovering and publishing on a website - converging entertainment with politics.


3 posted on 04/14/2005 9:19:07 AM PDT by justme24
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To: HHacker

1) I never asked who finances the Radical Left, I already know, at least in part, and moreso now - thanks Horowitz!

2) I'm not sure what the problem here - either my writing or people's reading comprehension - all I am asking for are the names of people and/or organizations that support young, ambitious, right-leaning start-ups for a program I want to develop - a radio/TV show. Is there anyway I can be clearer about this? A show that takes on John Stewart and Howard Stern, a show that puts a humorous right-leaning spin on current events.

3) this ranting and raving about being suckered into liberalism....save it for another post ok, it's not relevant here, nor useful. I asked a simple question - names of people or organizations.

Since you baited me with your nonsense, you really need to get off the dope. The president doesn't lobby for bigger gov't, though bigger gov't undeniably has come into being under him - but this in large part, as I understand it, is due to having to make up fo a decade of not attending to vital systems, like intelligence for example, homeland security, boarder control.

Bush did not lie about WMDs, and if he did, then most members of congress, including last eletion's "alternative" "choice" John Kerry. Bush is against gay marriage, but is true to our constitution which protects basic human freedoms, you should like a KKK member from the South in the 1960s.

If you do not see how the war in Iraq is vital to our interests you need to put the pipe down, and do a little more reading, watching of the news, you may have missed the widespread changes occuring in the middle east. Moreover, having bases in between Iran and Syria instead of an enemy, is in every Americans intersts, whether or not they realize or appreciate it.

You make a great point at the end, I shouldn't use the word conservative, it's not what I am, nor what I think a lot of Bush supporters today are. You are clearly a conservative - someone stuck in a very different era. I hope God saves you and opens your eyes to the 21st century of tolerance, hope, and freedom.

Now please, can we stay on topic - can someone please suggest an organization that would support someone who seeks to counter John Stewart and the likes (Micharl Moore, David Letterman, Air America etc. )


5 posted on 04/14/2005 1:10:21 PM PDT by justme24
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To: justme24
I'm not sure of any big, for lack of a better word, names I could suggest to give you support for your project, but you might want to try contacting some College Republican groups.

I really think you are on the right track with this though, as I have seen first hand how youth are brain washed by radical liberals; when I attended governor's school a few years ago, and this was North Carolina's governor's school, we were "taught" by blatant liberals (I estimate that 80% of the faculty were homosexual and very in your face about it) who's only interest was to push their own political agenda. Weekly, mandatory, convocations were held where either faculty members bashed America and slandered the President through poetry or guest speakers preached communism. A show for the right like you are proposing is a brilliant idea.
6 posted on 04/14/2005 5:14:33 PM PDT by conservativecougar
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To: justme24
To the Looney Left from Looney Tunes.


7 posted on 04/15/2005 1:03:01 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: hflynn

Why Do We need to have more media attention, we have Fox News to cover every issue fair and balanced Right?

looney left is definately creative,LOL, I hate those lefties always trying to protect the constitution.


8 posted on 04/15/2005 11:09:10 PM PDT by Corey_Baker
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To: justme24
I'm sure, you know how entrenched the 5th Column is. That's why a man who commited treason in support of communism almost became president of the U.S. That's why, some of the intellectual firewalls built via custom and suggestion (psychological conditioning) are reflected by many of us and repeated without our understanding their full implications and against even our stated interests. Whether or not someone is stuck in "a different era" is not determined simply by whatever period of time we are in presently simply because it is the latest time because that assumes that progress historically follows a line that goes upward. Nevermind that this suggestion to humanity is false and that it encourages in people moral insouciance and therefore intellectual corruption. This may be a different way of thinking than what "modern thinking" would lead us to concieve. I mean, Germans believed that with the power of Eugenics and the "science" of socialism they would make a "new man." I'm sure that many didn't see the death camps coming or the bombs falling on Britain and incinerating Europe. If you're not in touch with the fundamental truths and essence of the American moral compass, then you're just like the people that you say that you want to oppose; another heathen tribalist who will only hamper America from bringing her values to the rest of the world by contributing to the libnesia about them at home.

You want a TV show? It's not going to land on your lap. Yeah, yeah, you already know that. There's an immense market out there for quality tv programming, look at what Fox did in Cable. And if I'm not mistaken, well produced family friendly films do much better than the regular amount of slush that the limo-libs keep probably about as much for hobby than for financial profit. There's alot of room for a renaissance of art that influences society and the rest of the world positively, the idea that you have mentioned is not really new. It just takes people to get out of old habits of letting stuff slide and get a little bit more pro-active. What are your qualifications to break into the entertainment industry? Other than your imagination. Because you might potentially be the greatest artist that mankind has yet to see, but without a canvas, then the speculation is pointless.

I understand that you are probably tired of the regular dosage of distortion and lies from the left, but you have to put up or shut up. Pretty much its only a matter of applying the research and knowledge that you have to achieve what should be achieved. I'm sure that a fair amount of people have thought about the question that you have expressed in your outbursts here, but it takes a fair amount of decisiveness to see the answer through. If you want to start an organization dedicated to this, what's stopping you? It sure isn't because all the information necessary is not out there, you don't need me to tell you that. In my calculations, one good conservative (in the context of America) equals twenty and a half libs, (the half being those that say, "I don't like lables") but its not easy to be a conservative of timeless truths and values in the belly of the beast because it is beastly and it doesn't play fair or have any true regard for civility; it can't. If it did it would have no chance.

Whatever happens, I hope it goes well for you. I'm taking a break from serious politics right now, so you've caught me in a sort of period of vacation and web gallivanting.

In the meantime, if you had the patience to read to this point, I think that you would benefit greatly by reading the articles on Thomas E. Brewton's The View From 1776 blog. You could also write down all your ideas (screenplay/script/documentary) whenever you get them in a sort of journal to use at a later time.

9 posted on 04/16/2005 4:35:00 AM PDT by Sirc_Valence ("Successes are achieved by 99% Persperation 1% Inspiration")
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To: HHacker
Again, I don't understand why you keep posting to me off topic. I thank you for trying to make it at least somewhat relevant to the scope of my post, but again, you digress. Look, I'm not interested in a debate about how conservative are neoconservatives, or how liberal is GWB. I care about the youth of America getting one side of the story. For the second time, I distance myself again from the conservative perspective, because, you are right, I am not a conservative, but your, and probably most others', definition.

I cannot escape the us vs. them, because that's simply the reality. My hope is that by showing how far left the MSM and others are, I can bring people to the middle - I'm interested in getting both sides to the middle, but I approach it by bringing people away from the far left, rather than what you seem to be focused on, which is bringing people from the left and/or middle to the right.

Some things I need to rebut, though off topic, please stop baiting me with this...

1. "Yet, Bush is letting in more illegals than Clinton did" That is just ridiculous, can you illustrate how he's "letting them in" I mean has he told the boarder control to look the other way? Is he reducing the size, the funding, etc. NO, he's added more and added technology. I'm sorry you disagree with his solution for bringing the millions here already into the system so we at least know who and where they are. How you can compare Clinton to Bush re: the boarder is beyond my understanding. The 1993 WTC bomber came accross the border, and only now is it an issue in the public arena, and mind you, 9/11 hijackers did not come across the border, rather 2/19 got away from traffic stops that could've end in deportation, but thanks to Bill the cops couldn't check their immigration status.

2. the bush lied nonsense. there is no proof of it. I live in a word of proof, I'm sorry. You can allege all you want, show me proof he knew they weren't there and he said it anyway intentionally to decieve and I'll buy it. Till then it's speculation. Pointing to those on the other side who say that is to say, you can't have it both way - they all said the same thing, you can't fault then 1 guy only.

3. race card? not at all, I'm saying your views are dated like the views of those living in the south in the 60s, ok. Just like back then they didn't want to include blacks on the circle of freedom in this country, you don't want to include gays. Sorry, regardless of what the book and the preacher says on Sunday, gays are human beings, living things, and I'm a sucker for the golden rule, treat others as you wish to be treated. It's their life, their decision, no gov't has the right to restrict the rights of others based on who they are. those who thing otherwise rationalized how ever they want (religious text, etc.) to me are dated. At one point blacks were 2/3 human, today we treat gays the same way, it's time to grow up, move on, and let them totally into america's wonderful free society.

4. your self centered, money oriented appraisal of the war is saddening. I wonder what WWII cost in today's dollars. You sound just like the isolationists of the 40s, I'm sorry but I think the sacrifice is worth it, just like it was then.

5. "“Hope” is not provided by the government. Really? I
guess the hope FDR instilled in America didn't really carry us through those tough times. I guess the hope Bush had post 9/11 didn't raise our spirits, rally the troops, and fuel some of the greatest military victories in modern history - that was all CNN magic. I guess Reagan's hope and the Pope's hope didn't contribute in any way to the fall of communism either. This comment is so far from reality.

6. “Freedom” is part of the bait-and-switch tactic of liberals everywhere who wish to take away our freedom, from the Democrat left to the neocon Republicans." FREEDOM my friend is the fundamental basis of this country, freedom is what this entire country is about clown.

7. what constructive ideas did you provide exactly, I missed them all - all you've done is attack, kind of like the liberals and democrats you hate - all you have is negativity, not one suggestion or solution.

Do me a favor, read the post and reply to that point only - here it is again, for the second time for you personally - do you know how I can get funding to launch a program that will be modeled after John Stewart, Howard Stern, Real Time with Bill Mahr, etc. to present a different perspective, to present some balance, some opposing views? If you do not, just keep surfing for that board entitled "are neocons cons" or something like that ok, all you're doing is getting me worked up and wasting my time.
11 posted on 04/16/2005 1:38:20 PM PDT by justme24
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To: justme24
Rush Limbaugh.

Next.

12 posted on 04/16/2005 7:10:30 PM PDT by Darkwolf (Anti-Death Yankee Agnostic Free-Speech Advocate Movie and Film Music Fan)
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To: justme24
HHacker,

Isolationism doesn't work.
Islamofascists need to be destroyed and have their destructive capabilities diminished. It's true that hundreds of Americans have been killed in the BATTLE, but "oh it's too difficult" doesn't fly. Relatively speaking, our enemies' losses in this fight have been much MUCH worse than ours with the unprecedented and radical changes that we are seeing today in the Mideast. We are taking advantage of the high ground of America's might by being circumspectly foreward leaning and actually ratcheting up a bit our national security policy in order to take out the snakes and their snakepit as we CONFRONT America's evil foes. I believe that America's strategic position in the world is now more secure than ever. If a decade from now or sooner a much larger conflict should erupt, in a different region, God forbid, we will have less to worry about regarding taking inches of ground in combat that we can be sure that the enemy will have difficulty in securing. Sorry, but I care about our military, I have family in the military, and in fact I plan on joining the Army after I finish my preliminary education objectives (which will help me in getting the MOS that I want) and get some personal matters settled. So I may be available around here for about 6 months. And then after that most likely intermittently and less frequently. A free Iraq not only stands as an example and source of inspiration and emboldening-reality for reformers in other parts of the Mideast, but now rather than a strategically aligned enemy of the U.S., we have a more liberalised nation fighting by America's side in the War on Terror (like "Cold War" that's shorthand for this major and present particular challenge)and other foes, though they might be discouraged moreso now than they have been in the past.

"It's too difficult" doesn't fly, it never has and it never will. Progress is incremental, and it takes sweat and blood. It takes belief together with backbone. The critics can kiss it. In the U.S. Civil War up to 500,000 Americans died fighting to end slavery long after the Consitution was ratified. And even then, people were being lynched and attacked. I am glad that those that believed that the cause was not worth FIGHTING for and SUPPORTING, were simply outmatched. It really comes to that. In the absence of comprimise greater force prevails. Do not allow yourself to be bowed by defeatism. Don't let America or her heroes down.

Pat has earned his stripes as a conservative thinker, but he is wrong by targeting president Bush so much for criticism because there are much richer targets on the left. I think we got the point by now, he really wants more reform than president Bush has pushed for so far. But in this case, I think he is misdirecting his energy. I understand your frustration with the illegal immigration problem, and I agree with Buchanan on SOME social issues, and also that President Bush spends too much. But be realistic. When he was elected he was more of a middle of the roader when it came to economics and we knew that going into the 2000 election. I wanted Forbes to win the Republican nomination, but we have to compromise with our fellow citizens. That's the way it is. As for "lying" about WMD, that is pure nonsense and it was not the only reason to take down one of America's enemies and major regional obstacles to the immense change occuring in the Mideast right now, not to mention the humanitarian aid of supporting those who want a better future for their children. You might call it the third Republican/Conservative assault on tyranny after the Cold War and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation.

justme24,

"Can anyone suggest ...contacts, etc..."

I would suggest Randall Wallace, author and director of We Were Soldiers.

(Did you watch Rules of Engagement, by the way? Sandy Berger reminds me of Bill Sokal, the NSA in that film.)

You can try to contact Newmarket Films and ask them questions about how to qualify for distribution, since they are "not just looking for small art house films, we want films that have strong directors with a broader base audience as well as niche films. Ultimately, we are looking for films that draw us in emotionally and have the elements that can lead to a wider release" Try other distribution companies, you can find them on the web. I don't know what are the requirements to be a producer or TV program director. You can do a bit or research in a course on Film and TV production. Where are you? There are different ways and approaches to doing what you want to do. You could do something on the treasonous individuals that have betrayed freedom to support Stalin as he starved millions, spoke of "progress" while they acted against the tide of liberty by undermining it in academia. The scenes, names and places, and incidents, in my mind are vivid. In your future work, I would suggest that you come back to this "newswire/grassroots organizing" website to get people on board with you, maybe help support your "web-based [and otherwise] program" financially.

But actually, you can find people who are doing what you propose at LIBERTY FILM FESTIVAL. I'm pretty sure that's what you're looking for.

This beauteous actress/writer is developing a production house that you might be able to work with:


P.S.
On another note,
Here's an audio link on what I call, the perversion of Liberalism. What people need to understand is that it is linked to the perversion of economics called socialism and the general attack on liberty via anti-capitalism. Though I know that this may not be a question in your mind, in any sense, I bring it up because the link there is to Part III of Professor Ralph Raico's The Struggle For Liberty lecture at the Mises Institute, which has been expanding in its influence. A more biographical link on this intellectual hero is here. I found out about Ludwig von Mises after investigating what books President Reagan was reading, by the way.

13 posted on 04/17/2005 7:17:09 AM PDT by Sirc_Valence ("Successes are achieved by 99% Persperation 1% Inspiration")
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To: HHacker

Post 13 is for u t00.


14 posted on 04/17/2005 7:18:54 AM PDT by Sirc_Valence ("Successes are achieved by 99% Persperation 1% Inspiration")
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To: Darkwolf

Rush is not even close to the answer, he doesn't appeal to the same target mareket I'm talking about (eg John Stewart viewrers). Rush does not appeal to young urban voters like myself, sorry.

I've hardly listened to Rush, he's too sterotypical republican for me. I think I've failed at explaining the audience I'm appealing to. I'm talking to middle of the road college educated folks who's views lean right, but they often indentify themselves as democrats, but that's just b/c no one is speaking to them. They don't want high taxes, don't favor hand-outs, are pro military, etc., but they are progressive. The last poster gave great feedback, thanks!


15 posted on 04/17/2005 8:48:57 AM PDT by justme24
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To: justme24

You're welcome.

Maybe I can assist you at another time with some question regarding this enterprise. Don't hesitate to Freemail me.


16 posted on 04/17/2005 9:33:01 AM PDT by Sirc_Valence ("Successes are achieved by 99% Persperation 1% Inspiration")
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To: justme24
"Rush is not even close to the answer, he doesn't appeal to the same target mareket I'm talking about (eg John Stewart viewrers). Rush does not appeal to young urban voters like myself, sorry."

Who exactly does John Stewart appeal to? His audience is fewer than 2 million.

I think you're imagining this niche market that, frankly, is not so great as you seem to think. Stewart appeals to a ready-made audience of college liberals. College-age folks are by nature more liberal than pre- or post-college sorts. (Of course there are exceptions, I'm talking in general.)

The conservative message appeals to the intellect; Stewart appeals to the funny bone, the emotions. By nature, that means sarcasm and being an iconoclast.

When one leaves the collegiate Stewart realm, one starts to re-think these issues and want more of substance. That's when people turn to reading, moving from a hot medium to a cool medium.

It doesn't really matter whether Rush appeals to you and your group. Not every group needs to be pandered to just because they don't like Stewart. A Republican version of Stewart would require someone who pushes more bull and easy answers. Who wants that?

My answer to someone saying "Where is the Republican Jon Stewart?" would be "Read a book." The problem with this mentality is that it's childish. That younger audience is by all measures MORE conservative than it was in pre-9/11 times.

Maybe the answer isn't a Republican Jon Stewart; maybe the answer for the Dems is to NOT have a Jon Stewart, so THEIR younger audience will be forced to go beyond the cheap, intellectually vapid Stewart and Moore and AirAmerica and be forced to think for themselves.

I don't think Republicans need someone on the tube doing all their thinking for them in short, silly, glib comedy routines.

17 posted on 04/17/2005 10:25:46 AM PDT by Darkwolf (Anti-Death Yankee Agnostic Free-Speech Advocate Movie Music Fan)
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To: Darkwolf; justme24
Imagine Rush on MTV, in one of those 50 Cent videos. (And I speak as a fan.)

Rush primarily works to inform, the entertaiment is really secondary. Coming out of long classes, even if they are biased and used as political soapboxes by their tenured radicals, one might even then just want to kick up the feet and watch a movie with others, or something, rather than listen to more lecturing, even if it is sorely needed in response to the former. Especially then. So unless you are very involved and intense about countering influences that should be countered, then you just want to mind your own business and go with the flow - future be damned or not. The South Park crew does a pretty good job in putting entertainment in the primary role and soapboxing secondarily. Yet they can't possibly cover the deficiency in this cultural arena.

If I am correct in my analysis, the black population is worse off in terms of social stability, than it was during the segregated post-reconstruction era when whites oppressed them. This is not to negate the horrors that occured because of racial ignorance and hatred, but to isolate a phenomena which I will call economic ignorance/prejudice which led to the dependency on government and the concomitant decline in the social safetynet that timetested values provided. There's another concomitant decline (I won't get very far into that) in the very idea of patriotism, morality, and honor following certain changes, which give the impression that it is reasonable to believe that such things are worn out. All it takes is to, for instance, make films from the bad guys perspective, in which there is really no bad guy except whoever get's in the way of the "star(s)." So a policeman, even against common sense, in the social fabric is lowered in estimation as the criminal is lifted up. What is the excuse for this? "It's all in good fun." Though I admit that I am entertained sometimes by such productions, I can admit to bad habits that I might enjoy that I should not continue in. The audience will benefit more, and I believe, enjoy more, fun that uplifts the good and that rather than celebrate disfunction and make what should be attractive, to be unattractive.

I was watching this video of 50 Cent and G-Unit, which I admit I had a fondness of because of the memories that it gave me from when I used to kick it with my homies from a compton gang when I was in middle school and going down the wrong path, and I realised that the less society frowns on certain lifestyles, the more you will see of them. "We're just telling it like it is" is not an excuse for marketing the gangster life or influencing society in such a negative way. I understand that art is a matter of creativity, but creativity can be destructive, it can be like a cartoon character drawing a hole in the ground that somone falls into. The images are flashy and glamorous, and the life is too. You've seen what suicide bombers watch, I'm sure. It's the same thing in terms of it's ultimate value as being rooted in a culture of death. I am not saying that by looking at this someone is going to turn into a suicide bomber or go sell dope or try to emulate everything that they see. The vast majority of people won't. But it adds fuel to the fire and circumstances that lead people astray and condemns many souls. So I am against it in general.

In this song, Hate It Or Love It we can see how "tellin it like it is" for how many years now? has not done as much good as it has done harm in perpetuating "how it is." I like the video and I transcribed the whole song from the video. I haven't heard the song on CD, but I heard the "remix" and I didn't like it for whatever reason. Anyway, a couple of the lyrics:

50:"Daddy ain't around probly out commitin felonies" (Yeah, and some kids are going to want to be bad asses too and commit felonies by thinking that life is crap and being a bad ass is the sh*T)

G-Unit:"sittin in the Range thinkin ha' they spend 30 million dollars on airplanes when is kids starvin pac is gone and brenda still throwin babies in the garbage"

Thus, "the system" (that works) is the enemy, while a system of ideas that doesn't might seem more attractive. At least enough to lend credence to the politicians and those whose ideological fantasies they condone. If I'm not mistaken, the D candidate won the trustfunder vote. So much for "party of the rich" which was chased out of the areas where crime is the highest in this country. Anyway, the price of any given commodity or product is determined by the everyday decisions involved in the production and trade that involve their production by countless transactions by free individuals, for example the engine that is used for a range rover and it's various components... These questions have been asked many times, but the artist asking it this time most likely never got the answer from the limo-libs that put him on television because it contradicts their long-held ideological proclivities. I'm absolutely certain that the George Soros and just a fraction of the like can financially support the truly helpless in this country rather than fund and mobilize and support those who blame and want to do away with the most productive and beneficial economic system in the world. If you ask me, that doesn't help the poor, it actually delays their progress in other parts of the globe by in a sense imploding America rather showing the world the right way.

I think making the good guys actually look like the good guys shouldn't be too difficult. Sorry, once I get going I usually keep going. Don't worry, I'm done now. Fear no more.

18 posted on 04/17/2005 11:34:55 AM PDT by Sirc_Valence (Mmm, those waffles tasted like victory)
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To: Sirc_Valence

There's a lot to think about in your post and once I have a chance I'll read the whole thing and respond. I just wanted to touch base and thank you for putting your thoughts down.


19 posted on 04/17/2005 12:17:19 PM PDT by Darkwolf (Anti-Death Yankee Agnostic Free-Speech Advocate Movie Music Fan)
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To: Darkwolf

No problemo.

Later


20 posted on 04/17/2005 12:45:29 PM PDT by Sirc_Valence (Mmm, those waffles tasted like victory)
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