[tpaine]

The defining moment on this thread, imo, came when I asked:
-- Show your constitutional reasoning on how a pregnant woman can be sequestered and forced to term by the state.

Nothing in the Constitution prohibits the states from doing so or authorizes the federal government to prevent the states from doing so. 171 MrLeroy

Very bold statement. Goes against every basic principle of our constitution & BOR's

[Exodus]
Are you asking if the many State governments have the power (not a Right) to imprison a woman who might kill her baby? My answer is no.

Yet you want states to prohibit abortion from conception on, correct? -- How would you enforce your law?

Such an act would violate the Constitution, specifically the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, the 8th Amendment, the 9th Amendment, the 10th Amendment, and the 14th Amendment. Legally, people can't be punished for a crime they might commit.

Ahh, - I see, ~"might"~` is your qualifyer. How would you enforce your law against a woman caught in the act of attempted abortion? Would she be released to attempt so-called 'murder' again, until she succeded?

[thoughtomator]

I think to call that the 'defining moment' of the thread is a distorted view of the thread's content. From my point of view, the 'defining moment' was when you refused to put down in plain English what you think the word 'murder' means.

If language has no meaning, then there is no point to debate, as no matter can be settled if the parties may redefine words at will. Thus defining 'murder', far from being pointless, is the very essence of the debate. Alas for the abortion argument (to my own chagrin as well, when I realized this), there is no definition of murder that does not accurately describe what happens during an abortion.

[exodus]

Exodus - Are you asking if the many State governments have the power (not a Right) to imprison a woman who might kill her baby? My answer is no. (Our law prohibits punishing people before they commit a crime.)
tpaine - Yet you want states to prohibit abortion from conception on, correct? -- How would you enforce your law?
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The same way any murder is prohibited, tpaine.

By punishing those who kill their baby, after they've committed the crime.

[exodus]

Exodus - Such an act would violate the Constitution, specifically the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, the 8th Amendment, the 9th Amendment, the 10th Amendment, and the 14th Amendment. Legally, people can't be punished for a crime they might commit.
tpaine - Ahh, - I see, ~"might"~` is your qualifyer. How would you enforce your law against a woman caught in the act of attempted abortion? Would she be released to attempt so-called 'murder' again, until she succeded?
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"Attempted" murder is a crime.

A person who tried to murder another is subject to imprisonment. Since her baby is inside her, she would have to be watched, maybe even restrained, to prevent a successful murder at a later time.