[thoughtomator]

I think to call that the 'defining moment' of the thread is a distorted view of the thread's content. From my point of view, the 'defining moment' was when you refused to put down in plain English what you think the word 'murder' means.

If language has no meaning, then there is no point to debate, as no matter can be settled if the parties may redefine words at will. Thus defining 'murder', far from being pointless, is the very essence of the debate. Alas for the abortion argument (to my own chagrin as well, when I realized this), there is no definition of murder that does not accurately describe what happens during an abortion.

[tpaine]

You are getting emotional over defining murder? How odd.

I posted several times [once with a link] in plain English what I think the word 'murder' means.
I did not "redefine words at will".

You appear to need rest.

[exodus]

To: tpaine; exodus
If language has no meaning, then there is no point to debate, as no matter can be settled if the parties may redefine words at will. Thus defining 'murder', far from being pointless, is the very essence of the debate. Alas for the abortion argument (to my own chagrin as well, when I realized this), there is no definition of murder that does not accurately describe what happens during an abortion.
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Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another person. I define any person as beginning life at conception.

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court decided that a baby isn't a human unless his mother says he is. Simplistic, but that's the sense of their ruling.