Great-Grandfather Robbed for Crack Money by great-grand kids

NW Cable News ^ | 09/24/03 | Staff Writer

[MrLeRoy]

It [Prohibition] was an absolute disaster

Which of Prohibition's failures has the War On Some Drugs not shared?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

That would be because any would be long term cocaine, smack or meth users either rehabbed out or died.

You won't find a 20 year coke, meth or smack user.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

The extent of the corruption and sense of willful disobedience of law by large swaths of the population.

[Wolfie]

It's an amazing alchemy of the mind through which the failures of Prohibition are transformed into the successes of the Drug War.

[Wolfie]

The extent of the corruption... oh no, no widespread corruption as a result of the Drug War. Nosireee bob.

... and sense of willful disobedience of law by large swaths of the population.

We're spending $40 billion annually to fight drugs, and no end in sight. Disobedience doesn't get much more willful than that.

[tpaine]

Chancellor Palpatine
"It [Prohibition] was an absolute disaster"



Which of Prohibition's failures has the War On Some Drugs not shared?
41 MrLeRoy



The extent of the corruption and sense of willful disobedience of law by large swaths of the population.
43 Chancellor Palpatine



It's an amazing alchemy of the mind through which the failures of Prohibition are transformed into the successes of the Drug War.
44 -wolfie-


Yep, it's an amazing alchemy of Chancys mind to see the failures of prohibition, -- "the corruption and sense of willful disobedience of law by large swaths of the population", -- as NOT happening today in the war on drugs..

It's a near total denial of reality.. -- Good work fellas. -- More proof positive that our boy Palp needs mental help.

[Wolfie]

Yeah, that no widespread corruption thing is a laugher. Corruption due to the Drug War has reached a scale undreampt of during Prohibition. Entire nations have become narcocracies because of the Drug War.

[MrLeRoy]

You won't find a 20 year coke, meth or smack user.

Of course not---after 20 years they'd be adept at not being found. That proves nothing about the substances themselves.

any would be long term cocaine, smack or meth users either rehabbed out

Or simply quit.

or died.

Nope---the figures I cited are based on currently living persons.

[MrLeRoy]

Which of Prohibition's failures has the War On Some Drugs not shared?

The extent of the corruption and sense of willful disobedience of law by large swaths of the population.

Provide evidence for your claims.

[robertpaulsen]

Federal portion is $20 billion out of a $2.23 trillion budget (.9%).

End every federal aspect of the WOD and spending drops all the way to $2.21 trillion. Let's keep things in perspective.

[robertpaulsen]

The Proportion of Users That Ever Became Dependent excludes those who died, either directly from the drug or through actions while on the drug, correct?

So it's possible that a drug on a chart like this addicts 5% of it's users, and kills the other 95%, right?

In order to tell the complete story, shouldn't you list the percentage killed directly or indirectly for each drug?

Also, the article concerned crack. Where's that? Where's crystal meth? PCP? Ecstasy? Why did you include tobacco -- it that a mind altering drug?

Your cut-and-paste posts are irrelevent on a thread like this, and shows how little respect you have for Chancellor Palpatine and the rest of us who take the time to read your prattle. Try to stick with the topic at hand.

[MrLeRoy]

In order to tell the complete story, shouldn't you list the percentage killed directly or indirectly for each drug?

I don't have that information. Since alcohol kills not a few people, it's far from clear that such data would bolster Chancellor Palpatine's case---but he or you are free to go find it. Since HE'S making the claim, no fact-finding burden lies on ME.

Also, the article concerned crack. Where's that? Where's crystal meth? PCP? Ecstasy? Why did you include tobacco

This was the data provided in the Institute of Medicine's 1999 report Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base.

[robertpaulsen]

"I don't have that information."

Wouldn't this be relevent for this discussion. I mean if heroin, or crystal meth, or crack addicts 30% of the people who try it and kills (directly or indirectly) another 30%, I think that would be good to know when making a comparison to another drug such as alcohol.

Yes, alcohol kills, but imo mainly alcoholics, and as a percentage of all people who drink, I would think it to be small.

Of course, that's where your analogy breaks down, in that a social use for alcohol exists unlike the other mind altering drugs you listed.

[MrLeRoy]

"I don't have that information."

Wouldn't this be relevent for this discussion.

Absolutely. If you find it, let us know.

a social use for alcohol exists unlike the other mind altering drugs you listed.

I question whether this is true---I have been present on a number of occasions when marijuana was smoked in a manner I would characterize as "social." And if you are right, that may well be a result of the War On Some Drugs; making a substance illegal motivates people to concentrate on getting a quick buzz rather than socializing.

[sweet_diane]

"those that want to legalize drugs please ask yourself these 3 questions.... "

Thing is... who wants a drunk parent, child or grandchild either? Alcohol is as much a destroyer of lives as any drug and moreso then some illegal drugs.

[sweet_diane]

I hope these kids are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!

[sweet_diane]

"Yes, alcohol kills, but imo mainly alcoholics, and as a percentage of all people who drink, I would think it to be small."

don't let your friends at madd hear you talking like that.

[Walkingfeather]

ah so true but we tried to outlaw alcohol, but what is your point?

[MrLeRoy]

we tried to outlaw alcohol

How did that effort turn out? How is the effort to outlaw other drugs turning out any differently?

[sweet_diane]

"ah so true but we tried to outlaw alcohol, but what is your point?"

My point is don't give alcohol a free ride just because it is legal and a staple in so many homes. Yes, many, many people are able to drink responsibly while others can't. Many, many people can smoke marijuana responsibly whether you, me or John Ashcroft likes it or not.

IMHO, of course.