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Did Mussolini Go To Hell? (Vanity)
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| 08/17/03
| Indrid Cold
Posted on 08/17/2003 10:27:05 PM PDT by Indrid Cold
My first post, rather than a reply, so bear with me if the HTML falls apart.
The question up for grabs is "Did Mussolini go to hell when he died?" While one's instinctive answer is probably "yes", the follow-up question, then, is "why?"
Mussolini didn't really do a whole lot in WWII, except spout off and generally suck at combat. If you think that Mussolini went to hell because he allied himself with Hitler and Hirohito, then would Roosevelt and Churchill have gone to hell because they allied themselves with Stalin, who was himself evil incarnate? Just curious to hear what the world thinks.
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To: Indrid Cold
Not everyone believes in paradise, but I think there's almost complete unanimity in regards to the existence of the other place. That's where everyone who isn't quite as good as we are is going to spend eternity.
To: this_ol_patriot
In
Hitler and the Holocaust, Robert Wistrich stresses the most significant way Mussolini's Fascism differed from Nazism: racism. Wistrich states Hitler and Laval were constantly vexed by the way Mussolini interfered with the Holocaust of French Jews. Italy controlled several parts of Laval's France and made as many exemptions as possible for French Jews. Wistrich quotes the Zionist leader Goldmann as having said Mussolini told him "Long after there isn't a trace of Hitler, the Great Jewish People will continue to thrive." Under pressure from Hitler, and convinced they were siding with the Italian Communists against his rule, Mussolini's government did impose severe restrictions on Jews (many had been in the Fascist Party) in 1938, but as a Mediterranean himself, Mussolini never bought into the Nazis' Nordic supremacy 'crap.
The transport of Jews to Auschwitz from Italy only began in Nazi-occupied Italy after Mussolini had been imprisoned. Additionally, it has been said in jest, but it contains an obvious kernel of 'truth', that Mussolini and Franco were 'our' most important WWII heroes in defeating the Axis: Franco because he blocked Hitler's aspirations to access Gibraltar and thereby control the entrance to the Mediterranean, and Mussolini because Italy's failed assault on Greece sufficiently diverted, delayed and weakened the Nazi assault on the Soviet Union to cause German forces to become bogged down in the Russian winter. None of this bears on the question of 'Mussolini In Heaven' (maybe the writer of 'Elvis In Heaven' has some ideas ?), but all of it is significant in evaluating the historical influence of Mussolini on the course of events in WWII.
To: this_ol_patriot
In
Hitler and the Holocaust, Robert Wistrich stresses the most significant way Mussolini's Fascism differed from Nazism: racism. Wistrich states Hitler and Laval were constantly vexed by the way Mussolini interfered with the Holocaust of French Jews. Italy controlled several parts of Laval's France and made as many exemptions as possible for French Jews. Wistrich quotes the Zionist leader Goldmann as having said Mussolini told him "Long after there isn't a trace of Hitler, the Great Jewish People will continue to thrive." Under pressure from Hitler, and convinced they were siding with the Italian Communists against his rule, Mussolini's government did impose severe restrictions on Jews (many had been in the Fascist Party) in 1938, but as a Mediterranean himself, Mussolini never bought into the Nazis' Nordic supremacy 'crap.
The transport of Jews to Auschwitz from Italy only began in Nazi-occupied Italy after Mussolini had been imprisoned. Additionally, it has been said in jest, but it contains an obvious kernel of 'truth', that Mussolini and Franco were 'our' most important WWII heroes in defeating the Axis: Franco because he blocked Hitler's aspirations to access Gibraltar and thereby control the entrance to the Mediterranean, and Mussolini because Italy's failed assault on Greece sufficiently diverted, delayed and weakened the Nazi assault on the Soviet Union to cause German forces to become bogged down in the Russian winter. None of this bears on the question of 'Mussolini In Heaven' (maybe the writer of 'Elvis In Heaven' has some ideas ?), but all of it is significant in evaluating the historical influence of Mussolini on the course of events in WWII.
To: Agnes Heep
This simple idea that incredibly evil men (and women) can escape justice by "accepting Christ as their personal Savior" and thus avoid punishment makes me ill. What would Christ do with such scum? Is he so insipid that he would ignore the cries of the millions of innocents who suffered unimaginable agony at the hands of Stalin, Mussolini, Hilter, Roosevelt, Churchill,(Roosevelt and Churchill essentially gave Stalin Eastern Europe and thus indirectly contributed to the murder of millions under communist rule.), Mao, Pol Pot, the Clintons, Saddam & Sons, ad nauseum. I could not believe in a God who is so eager to be popular, he "forgives" such murderers who mouth that they believe! My God is just, above all. All will reap what they have sown.
To: Indrid Cold
Since there is no way to tell if he had truely accepted Jesus as his personal savior, no way to tell what was in his heart, the question is unanswerable.
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posted on
08/18/2003 2:19:29 AM PDT
by
exnavy
To: Indrid Cold
The answer is, since we don't have an "elector detector," we don't know.
The basis of a person's ultimate destination is not on the basis of their works either good or bad. It is on the basis of faith alone in Christ alone. However, we are also told that if we are in Christ our lives will begin to be conformed to Christ's image. He didn't act anything like Christ, therefore he is probably burning.
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08/18/2003 4:01:14 AM PDT
by
Jemian
To: democratsstealvotes
Nobody can fool God as to their repentance.
If you reject the idea that Christ's sacrifice would cover even a repentant Hitler or Mussolini, what you are really saying is that the value of his sacrifice is insufficient. Since it's value was infinite, by definition this is untrue.
Luckily God hasn't put me in charge of making these decisions about who goes where!
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08/19/2003 4:51:17 PM PDT
by
Restorer
(Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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