Two more rumors bite the dust (Ride home and torn clothing just not true, sources say)

The Vail Daily ^ | 8/4/03 | The Vail Daily

[Smogger]

Two more reports regarding the Kobe Bryant case circulating among part of the national media were debunked Monday.

Media reports that the 19-year-old woman who Bryant allegedly assaulted received a ride home is not the case, sources said Monday. Reports that her clothing was torn are also untrue, sources also.

Sources told the Daily that the alleged victim managed to get herself home by 11:50 p.m., June 30, after ending the shift at the Lodge at Cordillera at around 11:10 p.m.

They also said that while her clothing was disheveled and showed signs that something had occurred, it wasn't torn or ripped, as some reports indicated.

"Some of the reports made it sound like something out of a bad movie," said one source. "It wasn't like that."

The reports are part of a larger set of rumors and gossip that have been circulating across the country about the case. Among them:

- That the alleged victim was in the room two hours. It was only about 20 minutes.

- When she came down, she was hysterical. She was not. Sources said she was in a stupor and a state of shock.

- A few days before the incident, the alleged victim had accused another hotel worker of sexual harassment, getting him fired. Not true, said the man who was terminated. It was not the alleged victim.

Cameras in court

Eagle County Judge Fred Gannett ruled that not only is Bryant required to appear at 4 p.m. Wednesday, he also ruled Monday that there will be cameras in the courtroom.

Gannett denied a motion by Bryant's attorneys asking Gannett to reconsider an earlier order allowing one video camera and one still camera in the courtroom while Bryant is advised of the charges against him, and also advised of his rights.

[EllaMinnow]

"I have not heard a single person willing to have any such statement put forth under their name.

I have.

"A bellhop who worked at a hotel with the 19-year-old woman who accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assaulting her says she told him about the alleged attack only moments after it happened, NBC reported Tuesday.

"We know that when she came out of the room she was in a state of shock. She was in a stupor. She came down, talked to another of the hotel workers about what allegedly had just happened to her and apparently she thought it was pretty bad," Randy Wyrick, of the Vail Daily News, said.

[nyconse]

No I have not decided if Kobe is guilty or not. However, I will not discount torn/disarrayed clothing, victim claims rape right after to bellman, and injuries both to face, neck and genital area-if these things are true, then yes I believe Kobe raped that girl. However, I don't know what is true and what is not true. Hannity said today that there was some truly shocking evidence (he heard)going to come out at trial. In the early days, the victim's friend talked about evidence that would make your jaw drop etc. Kobe does himself no good either playing the race card and quoting Martin Luthing King. He acts guilty. Is he guilty, I have no idea because I don't know which media reports-if any- are true.

[EllaMinnow]

Rita said those things.
Did I ever say she didn't?

[nyconse]

Funny, I don't feel the least bit embarrassed. I would be embarrassed to defend Kobe and find excuses for damning evidence against him: rough sex etc. I am not saying you do those things. It seems you believe him to be innocent. Fine, it's a free country. You can believe as you choose. However, I can not follow the logic that leads you to such a conclusion.

[sinkspur]

No I have not decided if Kobe is guilty or not.

Everything you post betrays you.

Of course you've decided. You've decided that KB is guilty. It's evident from your posts. Me? I think KB is guilty, but he'll walk.

But, it's more fun to argue against the Westerfield Stepford wives, whose trip-wires are super-sensitive, and who will brook no questioning of the accuser.

It's the Westerfield effect, all over again. It's just fun to watch, and to play.

Carry on.

[EllaMinnow]

I've got to get to bed. Good luck.

[Howlin]

No, but you did say

Randy Wyrick's report on Monday's Today show wasn't based on Rita's report.

To which I replied that the reason he didn't mention them, the torn clothes and the ride home, was because they were a pack of lies.

When you have reports that the bellman, a GOOD friend of the victim's, said three things, and then two of them turn out not to be true, I wouldn't put his third statment in the category of fact just yet.

[Howlin]

You should be embarassed; the man that those on your "side" are quoting as the principal reporter in this case, Randy Wyrick, is the one who said that there were NO TORN CLOTHES AND NO RIDE HOME.

And now you're here on this thread, claiming that HE might be lying, too?

[Howlin]

But, it's more fun to argue against the Westerfield Stepford wives, whose trip-wires are super-sensitive, and who will brook no questioning of the accuser.

Can you clue me in on what that means?

[cyncooper]

And BTW, I think I am the ONLY poster to have documented the discrepancy in Rita's "bellhop gave ride home" story.

My first post pointing it out was Sunday morning. I was out with my family Saturday night and was not graced with hearing her report that evening, but Sunday morning, right after I first heard about it, is pretty damn quick.

Here ya go.

To: redlipstick

Fox News has learned that the woman told another co-worker who drove her home

There is an inconsistancy between the reporter telling Luke Bray's story and this new bellhop story:

Pal tells story of Bryant accuser

Excerpt:

He said she made the 30-minute drive from the lodge to her home in Eagle by herself and was home by midnight.

~snip~

204 posted on 08/03/2003 11:27 AM PDT by cyncooper

[Iwo Jima]

I have said that I expect to believe the bellhop Pietrack when he makes a public statement as Evancho has about what he saw and heard. But until we hear from him, I am reluctant to form any opinions based on third or fourth hand accounts about what it is that he is supposed to know.

IOW, the quote that you cited is not an example of anyone putting forth a statement under their name.

[nyconse]

First, according to reports ( I have no idea of the truth of such reports) , there are witnesses who will come forward. They are hotel employees-most likely the Bellhop is one of them. There two employees supposedly.

The five witnesses I refer to are the boys at the party that heard the victim describe Kobe's manhood. I do not believe this story will ever be heard in court.
I don't think they will swear to this stuff under oath.

I do not wish Kobe to be guilty, but if it is true the girl was injured, clothing torn or disarrayed or whatever, then I think he did it.

[Howlin]

BTW, in the link redlipstick posted, this is the first paragraph:

"We know that when she came out of the room she was in a state of shock. She was in a stupor. She came down, talked to another of the hotel workers about what allegedly had just happened to her and apparently she thought it was pretty bad," Randy Wyrick, of the Vail Daily News, said.

Watch out for that; that's VERY sketchy.

[nyconse]

I really don't know if Kobe is guilty. I don't know how one could judge which reports are true or not. However, the DA has evidence. He is going to trial. I guess we shall have to wait and see. I certainly hope if he is guilty that he is convicted.

[sinkspur]

Do you remember the people who defended David Westerfield? They would absolutely not tolerate anyone who said anything against him, or brook a contention that he was guilty.

As the trial wore on, the Westerfield threads grew so contentious that the moderators were booting people off the forum at the rate of one a day.

The defenders of the accuser are in a similar position to the Westerfield defenders. The wagons are circled, and every question against the accuser is met with scorn, or contempt, or personal attack.

The almost mechanical automation of the reactions is Stepford-like.

Thus the comparison.

I sense a greater emotional investment in those who are absolutely sure that KB is guilty than in those who think he might be innocent. You, for instance, could live with KB being found guilty.

The accuser-defenders, however, would, even at this juncture, be tempted to jump off tall buildings if the case were dismissed.

[nyconse]

"You should be embarassed; the man that those on your "side" are quoting as the principal reporter in this case, Randy Wyrick, is the one who said that there were NO TORN CLOTHES AND NO RIDE HOME."

I don't say anyone is lying. However, he is only reporting his sources-as is Rita I have no idea what the truth is. The bellhop has been reported to be a witness from different sources.

[nyconse]

The bellhop can not make a public statement until court. He is a witness.

[Howlin]

You, for instance, could live with KB being found guilty.

That's because I am involved in the legal system; and I've seen it twisted by attorneys - defense AND DA's. The idea that the DA wouldn't go to trial if he didn't have proof positive is preposterous.

And I still haven't seen any "story" that can be positively linked to Kobe's side; everything that has come out is beneficial to the victim, who, quite frankly, needs shoring up.

I said in the very beginning that I believed that Kobe Bryant, if he is innocent, will play this straight up.....he won't deal and he won't smear; that's the ONLY way he can get his reputation back, IMO. To be completely cleared.

That being said, he DOES have the right to defend himself. I'm just saying I believe he'll do it all out int he open.

[Howlin]

The more you post, the more I am forced to conclude you are not reading all the reports, or you'd deliberately distorting what you do read.

Randy Wyrick is THE reporter on this; he has contacts INSIDE the courthouse. He knows what he is talking about.

But keep calling him a liar, if you must.

[nyconse]

How about the fact that you guys are defending Kobe as others defended Westerfield. Westerfield was guilty. I think you all are the ones that have circled the wagaons: completely certain that Kobe is innocent, and you refuse to even entertain the possibility of his guilt. I have not said Kobe was guilty-only detailed what evidence would make me believe he was guilty. I have not called any person on this thread a name or been rude in any way.