**** FR Big Brother 4 Thread ****

CBS ^ | 7-9-2003 | Me

[jmc813]

It's summer once again, which means it is time for what many dub "the ultimate reality show", Big Brother! For 3 months, 13 contestants, or "houseguests" must live together in a one-story house with absolutely NO contact from the outside world, while cameras and microphones capture their every move 24 hours a day. Each week, one houseguest is voted out with the sole remaining houseguest taking home half a million dollars.

This year, the producers have introduced the "X-Factor" to Big Brother. 10 of the 13 houseguests were stunned to find out that an ex-boyfriend or girlfriend of theirs was also a houseguest.

I have once again given up any hope of having a life this summer and have shelled out the $10 a month to watch the houseguests 24 hours a day on the internet.

Let's meet this years crop of contestants...

Alison

Job: Retail Manager
Age: 22
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Pittsburgh, PA
Jeff's Comments: Alison, while seeming sweet, is definitely this year's "house ditz". Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Recall last season when Lisa, considered far from the smartest houseguest took home the $500,000 prize.

Amanda

Job: Bar Manager
Age: 25
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Chicago, IL
Jeff's Comments: Amanda and her ex Scott had some turbulent moments when they were first thrust back together. As of earlier today, though, they seem to be getting along quite well. According to chatter on the Internet feeds, expect Amanda to go sooner rather than later.

Dana

Job: Karate School Manager
Age: 28
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Queens, NY
Jeff's Comments: Dana is one of three houseguests without an ex in the game. She has quite the feisty atitude, and I expect her to be involved in manty arguments, leading up to her getting booted around week 5 or so.

David

Job: Former Army Ranger
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Deerfield Beach, FL
Jeff's Comments:David seems like a great guy with a super sense of humor. However, I expect the houseguests to be intimidated by his experince as a Ranger, and to give him the boot mid-game.

Erika

Job: Pilates Instructor
Age: 33
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Los Angeles, CA
Jeff's Comments: This girl might just take it all the way. As seen in episode 2, she is not in the house to "have a good time" or "make new friends", she's in it to win it. From watching the Internet feeds, it seems as if she's already incorporating the "fly below the radar" strategy, that more often than not a good one. Also, she's a dead ringer for last year's winner, Lisa.

Jack

Job: Retired FBI Agent
Age: 58
Marital Status: Divorced
Hometown:Birmingham, AL
Jeff's Comments: Jack seems to be a very nice guy, looking much youger than his 58 years. If he can overcome the age barrier and assimilate with the other houseguests, he'll go far. Unfortunately, around week 9 or so, he will succomb to the Big Brother "middle age man curse" and get booted a la George, Kent, and Gerry in previous seasons.

Jee

Job: Bookkeeper
Age: 23
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Elmhurst, NY
Jeff's Comments: Since entering the house, the most strained ex-couple is definitely Jee and Jun (say it out loud, it's fun). Jee seems to be a down-to-earth fellow who gets along well with all of the houseguests othjer than Jun. If he can survive the first few weeks, he will be a contender to win it all.

Jun

Job: Investment Manager
Age: 27
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:New York, NY
Jeff's Comments: Jun (pronounced June) is this years house chef. That alone will allow her to finish in the top half. Since being reunited, Jun has spent a total of literally less than one minute speaking to her boyfriend of 5 and a half years, Jee.

Justin

Job: Headhunter
Age: 22
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Pittsburgh, PA
Jeff's Comments: Alison's ex, Justin has been surprisingly quiet thusfar in the game. I'm going to wait a few days before making a prediction on how he will do.

Michelle

Job: College Student
Age: 19
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Boca Raton, FL
Jeff's Comments: At 19 years old, the beautiful Michelle is the youngest houseguest in Big Brother history. I predict tht she will be out within the first 3 weeks, otherwise, she will be one of the final three, as a result of the other houseguests underestimating her due to her age. On the Internet feeds, she has stated on numerous occasions that she drinks, so it should be interesting to see if she trys to sneak a few as the season goes on, and if so, what Big Brother's reaction to underage drinking in the house will be.

Nathan

Job: Personal Trainer
Age: 23
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Edmond, OK
Jeff's Comments: Nathan is the "stud" of the house this year. Recall Hardy from season 2 and Roddy from season 3. The ladies of the house have already gone ga-ga for him. I'm predicting a week 6-7 eviction for Nathan, as the "stud" never wins any reality show, ever.

Robert

Job: Restaurasnt Manager
Age: 33
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Los Angeles, CA
Jeff's Comments: Robert is another houseguest who I have not had much of a chance to observe on the Internet feeds. The one bit of information I was able to gather about him is that he was an alcoholic, and recovered a few years ago with the help of his father. I have a suspicion that Robert may have a bit of an attitude, but if he can keep it under control, watch for him at the end.

Scott

Job: Waiter
Age: 33
Marital Status: Single
Hometown:Chicago, IL
Jeff's Comments: Get used to the knit cap you see in Scott's head shot, as he has it on constantly. This guy cusses like it's going out of style. As entertaining as he is to watch, I expect Scott to have a fair share of conflicts with the houseguests and get booted early.

Tommorrow, I will provide links to great web sites devoted to Big Brother to help further enhance your viewing pleasure this year. If you would like to get pinged to this thread when it is updated, either let me know ion this thread or FReepmail me. If you know of anyone who might be interested in this thread, please let them know.

[jmc813]

Good points all.Nathan's hangdog expression and cries of betrayal at the hand of Allison do have some truth in it, but Nathan is overlooking an important part. No one forced him to use the veto on Ally. She didn't hold a loaded gun to his head, or threaten his family. She flirted with him and promised him all sorts of things... He believed that she could be trusted and veto'd her. The fact that she is non-responsive to his concerns shows that Ally is self-centered, but also playing the game.

Nate and Alison could have had a great alliance had they not played the game so emotionally. That seems to be a trend this year, playing with emotion rather than strategy and logic.

The three stooges are poor winners. The fact that they rub the others noses in their victories shows their maturity level.

Agreed. I really, really do want to like them, but every time I watch a strategy sesion between those three, it sickens me. I really, really, really want Jack or Erika to win HoH tonight.

[jmc813]

Tonight, a big episode of Big Brother airs live on CBS. As you know, Jack and Nathan are in the hot seat for eviction tonight.For the first time this season, voting will take place live. As a result, Nathan's campaigning has been turned up several notches in the last few days.

I can honestly say that this week, the voting can really go either way. The "3 stooges" alliance holds the mathematical power currently, and they have been waffling betwen which of the two nominees they will vote to evict.

There are also several rumors floating around that tonight's Head of Household might be an endurance competition, meaning that you will not know the results when the show signs off. If that is the case, check in here a few hours after the show, as I'll post a white-text spoiler about the competition immediately upon conclusion.

It seems like I say this every week, but the HoH competition tonight will be vital in determining the course of the rest of the game. It is my personal hope that Jack will survive the vote tonight, and that either he or Erika deliver me a birthday present in the form of an HoH win, thereby putting a huge dent in the "Three Stooges" alliance.

Enjoy!

[PoisedWoman]

After watching everyone, including Erika, cave to the Stooge Alliance in the "corridors" game last night, I don't think there's any alliance left between the original eight.

At this point, the game looks like a shoe-in for the Stooges, but when will they start to eat their own?

With an endurance test for HOH tonight, a woman might well win it. Girls are better at that then men, generally. But Erika, Jun, and Ally are so afraid of the Stooges at this point, they may kiss up to them and nominate another of the original eight. This is getting really nasty. The original alliance of eight was probably a bad idea to begin with...too many people on that team. I think smaller alliances have a better chance.

Actually, I like Jack but I'm not impressed with him at all. I think he's a poor strategist. He shouldn't have been surprised when things started going awry for the original eight and should not, for his own good, have stuck with the original strategy when the alliance started coming apart. He's sincere but not even slightly wily. If he's one of the FBI's finest, we're all in big trouble.

[Tazlo]

>>It is my personal hope that Jack will survive the vote tonight, and that either he or Erika deliver me a birthday present in the form of an HoH win, thereby putting a huge dent in the "Three Stooges" alliance.

Hey, Happy Birthday! Mine is tomorrow, 8/14, which is in about 20 minutes.

[carton253]

Is there any news on who won the HOH contest, or are they still in the cages.

[jmc813]

I tried to stay up to watch the conclusion of the HoH cage competition, but was not successful. Fortunately, there were plenty of sites monitering in rel-time so the winner is revealed below in white text.

Erika outlasted the rest of the houseguests and won Head of Household. Alison finished in second.

[Peace4EarthNow]

I wasn't home last night, and forgot to tape it.

I take it Jack was not evicted, and Nathan was?

[carton253]

Fantastic! Now, the winner needs to put up 2 of the stooges...

I couldn't have wished for anything better unless Jack won!

[carton253]

Nathan was evicted 5 to 0.

[codercpc]

I went to the Jokers site this morning to find out who won, but unfortuneatly also read something I didn't want to know about.

Apparently Jack (my favorite until today) and Erika were talking about the "Right-wing media, the farce of an impeachment, and what wonderful parents the Clintons are compared to the "Drunk Twins" parents.

Just another case of knowing to much. I can't look at Jack the same way again. I really didn't ever think of him as a conservative or otherwise, just wish he wouldn't have opened his mouth.

[Peace4EarthNow]

Awww!!! Jack said that?

He USED to be my favorite, and I was really pulling for him or Erica, but NOT ANYMORE!

[carton253]

Is Joker's reliable? Have they misrepresented other conversations throughout the course of the telecast.

Let's not abandon Jack until we know whether this is true or not.

[jmc813]

Is Joker's reliable? Have they misrepresented other conversations throughout the course of the telecast. Let's not abandon Jack until we know whether this is true or not.

Very good point. Keep in mind these are open forums, and bad information has been posted in the past. FWIW, I was looking over the Bomis Clubhouse Updates (similar to Joker's), and there was no mention of suuch a conversation. There was, though, an interesting conversation between Erika and Jack about the Kennedy assasination and information Jack found out about it as an FBI agent.

[carton253]

details... details...

When do the nominations take place?

[carton253]

re:153
details = what did Jack say?

[codercpc]

I am under the impression that on this forum they are discussing what the contestants are saying in "real time" as they watch the feed, so the reliability would seem pretty good. Heres the feeds so you can decide on your own.

http://www.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=bbusa4&Number=505335&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1

http://www.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=bbusa4&Number=505341&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1

[carton253]

Say it ain't so Jack!

[carton253]

Well, the rub seems to be do I allow a guy's politics to get in the way of my rooting for him.

My answer would be no. I like Jack. I still hope he wins.

[jmc813]

Nominations are typically held at about 4:00pm EDT on Fridays. I should be online, so I'll have a spoiler update. For details of Jack's story, check out http://tvclubhouse.bomis.com/discus/messages/10972/1089301.html?1058818581

[codercpc]

I tend to agree with you, but everytime I like somebody, and then find out I totally disagree with their political positions, (I loved the Dixie Chicks, until they opened their mouths, now I turn the station when they are on), I look at them in a whole new way. I can't help it.

Let's hope that doesn't happen with Jack, let's hope that I can continue to watch the show and be engrossed with the dynamics of the house guests without this entering my mind, but I doubt it.

I know many disagree, but I like Jee, and I can know root for him without having to worry about cross alliances:)