Discussion About Feminism - Vanity

[Cathryn Crawford]

You actually have talent. That's why you are doing well.

Thank you. That's what I like to tell myself at three a.m. when I wake up with the awful feeling that my life is going nowhere... :-)

[TomServo]

Ya know what the difference is between a feminist and an elephant?

The flannel shirt.

[dandelion]

It worked out for us, but we also gave up a car and dinner out. It is really hard to make ends meet a lot of the time, but it means more to us than material goods.

The problem comes when you can't afford a place to live on the salary of one partner... a LOT depends on the area in which you're living. I've heard of San Fransisco couples that made good money, but couldn't live on the income of one partner just because of the housing costs. I'm lucky, I live in Texas...

[Luis Gonzalez]

[patton]

Of course it worked out for me. I am discovering that our stress levels are down, our kids are happier, things get done, we have no fights, everybody gets more rest - and the only downside is that we send about $30,000.00 less per year to DC.

I can live with that.

[patton]

We are doing it in Falls Church, VA - only twice as expensive as SF.

But very, very carefully. Lord, help me now.

[Dan from Michigan]

Feminism was created so unattractive women and lesbians can have an advantage in life.

I'm only Half-joking.

[Quix]

HEY SUPER ESTEEMED WRITER . . .

Will give it a quick best shot . . .

First, exactly what is the feminist ideology?

DOUBT I'M THE ONE TO ANSWER THAT--but my impression of it is that poor neglected, abused, maligned, sidelined women are outraged at centuries of such and feel it their duty as women to rise up and make things right for women. And such goals and doings have also come to mean--doing virtually all the things to men they originally most hated about men doing to women.

Also, in the process, children have been tossed on the trash heap of inconvenience. And anyone or anything questioning the new female gestapo is immediately screamed at by all the media forces in society as demonic, hideous, beneath contempt; deserving of prison or nonexistence.

Does it degrade women?

WELLLLLLLLLLL, women--the best of them--around the best of men--were queens treated as queens. They had enormous clout, influence and other tangible benefits. They tended to get what they wanted when they wanted it how they wanted it. They were shining examples of their man's competence, survival skills and wealth acquiring skills. And they were also prime display cases for same.

They had quality jobs overseeing various household turfs as well as the rearing of children with the values of the household.

Now, the value is SELF, SELF, SELF and to blazes with all else and all details. ME, MY, MINE is the name of the game and the only game for any woman worthy to be called a woman.

When a woman turns all of life's relational transactions into business transactions--and then bitches to high heaven because she's 'still' being treated like an OBJECT--there's something dreadfully absent, nonexistent about her sane reality testing.

WOMEN STILL CANNOT SEEM TO GET IT THROUGH THEIR HEADS that THEY cannot have their cake and eat it too any more than men can. And, under the 'old system' they succeeded a LOT MORE in coming close to having their cake and eating it too.

Now, they have only themselves to blame for turning into shrewish objects held in contempt by virtually one and all--lonely, combative, competative, brittle, gritchy MOST DAYS OF THE MONTH etc.

If so, how does it degrade women?

THEY HAVE BECOME SCREACHING, whining, banshee COGS IN THE MECHANIZED MACHINE OF MORE OR LESS PURE BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS whether it's for sex, income, creative work, influence, whatever.

How (if at all) is it unfair in its treatment of men?

Men have become neutered wimps scarcely able or allowed to lick their own wounds, much less stand up and be and act like men in protective, leadership, providing sorts of ways.

Sorry--running out of gas and energy. It's a topic I could pontificate on for hours, otherwise. So, just as well!

Thanks for asking.

[Cathryn Crawford]

LMAO - I know, I remember very well, despite the late hour of the first appearance...

[Cathryn Crawford]

Sparta said the same thing... ;-)

[Dan from Michigan]

Well, as a Michigan State Spartan, I would hope so. :)

[Cathryn Crawford]

I didn't know what that was! You Michigonians...is that a word?

[Dan from Michigan]

Michiganders.

[Cathryn Crawford]

Michiganders

You just couldn't resist, could you? You had to say something, didn't you?!

:-(

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - The two colleges in Michigan are Michigan State University and that other school in Ann Arbor...university of Michigan.

Michigan State - Spartans
That other School in Ann Arbor - Wolverweenies...I mean...Wolverines.

Think A&M vs Texas.

[Dan from Michigan]

Bwhahaahaha. I didn't even think of that. Michigander is the actual term.

Speaking of those things with wings that flap, for Fathers Day, my mom is cooking my dad[and me:)] that wild turkey I gunned down about a month ago. Looking forward to that. :)

[Cathryn Crawford]

I know which side you're on.

My mom was an Aggie but now I'm a Longhorn. Sad, don't you think? Familial conflict...

[Cathryn Crawford]

Seriously? I thought you were making a pun on purpose. Cute!

You gunned down a wild turkey? You've gone way up on my "people I like" list.

[Dan from Michigan]

Some say "Michiganian", but I've always heard Michigander, and I've lived here all my life. There's a freeper with the screen name Michigander as well.

You gunned down a wild turkey? You've gone way up on my "people I like" list.

I sure did. First game animal ever in 3 1/2 years of hunting. :)

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - I'll send the pic once I get it(although I don't exactly look my best in that pic)