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Group Freeper Therapy Needed

Posted on 05/08/2003 8:25:49 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich

I had a crisis at the concert of one of my favorite preformers. His snotty comment about the President, while not as heinous as many other musicians, made me sad! Talk me through it Freepers......


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Miscellaneous; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: crisisoffaith
I had a crisis at the concert of one of my favorite preformers. His snotty comment about the President, while not as heinous as many other musicians, made me sad! Talk me through it Freepers...... It was so sad. I get a sitter, I want to escape from the world for a little art, and I have to endure another personal, not policy, attack on a man I support. I was bouncing with glee minutes before, and after he said it, I felt like a deflated balloon. We debated leaving, but it seemed an over reaction to the comment (not as bad as Eddie Vedder's crap.) I was in the second row, with my "An actor's opinion is not the answer" sequined shirt (which I'm pretty sure was reflecting off the lights and driving him nuts when he could only read the top half) and spend three songs with my arms folded across my chest and a pained expression. I'm certain this sounds dramatic,but it took me that long to recover and get that horrid pit in my stomach to settle. It actually was so disappointing it brought me to tears, and I'm not even sure why! Anyway, talk me through it friends, I need some wisdom. Below is the letter I sent to the discussion list I have been on, it should be self-explanitory. Your TLC needed, K My Post to RT site: (RT being Richard Thompson....brillant)

This post is probably too long, and it is intermingled with both RT and non- RT content. I was thrilled to have seen him last night in Atlanta and was pleased to see that, in the 15 years or so I have seen him live, he probably has the strongest voice and most consistent guitar work I have seen to date. His set choices were not, perhaps, what I would have wished for, and yet it all made perfect sense. It was more collaborative with the rest of the band as well, and both the drummer and Pete Zorn were fabulous. A throwaway remark he made about President Bush and “his inability to string together a complete sentence”, led me to a mini-crisis of faith and reinforced a previous belief that the time has come for me to depledge from the RT list after what I think is in excess of 4-5 years (it is a bit of a blur.)

I recovered after a few songs as my love for RT is strong. It was rather like walking in on your parents having sex. You surely imagine what is going on behind clothed doors, but the reality of it somewhat shocking and it takes a few minutes to wipe the mental image away. I knew he is certainly liberal and as such would not hold the President in high regard, but I assumed that his wit would prevail and his quips would be funny, rather than personal, much like his quips about the various horns and their origins as WMDs.

I found RT my senior year in college when I fleetingly heard Turning of the Tide. I was instantly smitten, yet could not find the source. On my first date with a new boyfriend, he put on that very song and I knew I was in love. We married, had children, and share RT as one of our many common passions. And on to the other reason of this post.

I am politically and socially conservative. I do not have three heads, I am neither a racist nor am I greedy and I am not an intellectual midget. I graduated Cum Laude from a fine University, am a full-time mother and I am just beginning to pursue some of my own passions again after trying to keep 3 little ones away from the light sockets and somewhat nourished. I have lived and studied in Europe and saved for 4 years to spend a month living in Belgium this summer to show my children a different way of life. I try to volunteer my time as I am able and my money when I can. The personal, rather than policy, attacks on both the President specifically and conservatives in general on this list since 2000 has been a disappointment for me.

While I embrace debate, that is hardly what occurs here. One of my brothers is about as liberal as you can be without officially being a socialist. We debate endlessly, never really agree on anything, and yet not once has he referred to Bush as Shrub, Dubya, or derided his intellect. I have likewise refrained from referring to our former President in the many unflattering terms that cross my mind. My brother seems to grasp, though far younger I imagine than many on this list, that to harp on a perception of intellectual deficiency makes a very dismissive assumption about me and others who not only voted for but actively support President Bush……I must be an intellectual lightweight if I don’t see it or agree with your assumption. The intellectual arrogance of it all is simply too much for me. I saw a quote once that has come to have profound meaning for me and has been underscored by what I have read time and time again; Conservatives think liberals are wrong, liberals think conservatives are evil. I am guilty too of painting with a broad brush in using that quote, but I have seen it held up more often than not. I spend time in both camps as it were with a diverse and politically active family, and the level of derision and condensation of the intellectual left is beyond my ability to either understand or explain. I am tired of wading through your contempt and insults to find your artistic insights. The ultimate irony at the end of the night (and as an RT fan I am a keen lover of irony), was that I was surrounded by people with whom I share a love of RT but who in large part sneer at my beliefs and intellect, and the stunning realization of the make up of the crowd. At 70% male and 99.99% white, it more closely resembled a unibomber convention than any Republican even I have been to in my life time.

Again, forgive the length. I thank you for the many insights into music I have gleaned here and the new CD’s I have added from your suggestions. I will, like always, count the days until I can see OH again, humming Zen chants to myself during political moments. I have been enriched by many of your insights, as well as deeply hurt by your assumptions about people like me. I will miss this place as a gathering spot of art lovers. Cheers.

1 posted on 05/08/2003 8:25:49 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
Well, I don't actually know who RT is. But I am still a fan of Jimmy Buffet, even though I know he's a liberal, partly because I have heard, from people who should know, that he is a nice person. OTOH, if he starts taking cheap shots at W, I will probably have to bite the bullet and rethink my feelings.

I have an art professor (I'm 54, but taking some art classes) who is very much a leftist and takes shots at the president all the time. Yet she is a good, though mistaken, human being, and really doesn't mind, in fact likes it, when I disagree with her.

If I am convinced that someone is a good enough human being, sometimes, but not always, I can get right past their politics.

Don't know if this helps, but understand how you feel, it can be discouraging to hear the politics of artists whose work we may admire. It can make it hard to enjoy them. But since I sometimes make an exception for a friend, if they are deserving, I sometimes am able to do the same for an artist.
2 posted on 05/08/2003 9:37:57 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich; Sam Cree
Who is he and what did he say? - I can't even tell.

But, I would agree with Sam. Matching politics is not one of the requirements I have in who I like... My friends don't have matching politics, and I hardly think most of the artists I like do.

I guess how much it affects me depends on whether their political interest is a side issue or a main part of their art, and whether their attitude is a positive one, or a negative one. Jimmy Buffet is a fun guy I would love to be around. Michael Moore would be a butt-head at any party.

I still like actors and singers who, if asked probably don't vote the same way I do. Hell, I love the Beatles peace movement songs... but when the actor is so forward that they come off as "love me, love my politics!" then they are taking a risk.
3 posted on 05/08/2003 9:48:13 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
The best therapy is murder. Trust me. Kill him. ;-)
4 posted on 05/08/2003 10:17:50 AM PDT by hang 'em ("Popeye Delenda Est" - Bluto)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
My advise is to start drinking; Heavily!
5 posted on 05/08/2003 10:48:04 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money ("There is some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for." - Samwise Gamgee)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
There is no problem in your life that cannot be solved with judicious use of high explosives.
6 posted on 05/08/2003 10:53:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WMD-40: Lube your nukes)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sorry....I was a bit vague.....RT is Richard Thompson, folk rock, brilliant, and he responded to some crowd remarks by saying basically "I wouldn't want your bloke....he can't even string a coherent sentence together!" Not a huge transgression, I just feel really fragilethese days, you know??
7 posted on 05/08/2003 11:07:21 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
And he's British? - OK.... I hold foriegn artists to an even lower standard where loving our president is concerned. I don't hold foreigners to any standard to support our president, but I am not sure it is smart to insult him on our turf....

forgettaboutit..... or blow him up, as Laz suggested.
8 posted on 05/08/2003 11:12:26 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Working through it with deep Zen breathing. THough he is British, he is married to an American and has lived in LA for quite a while now (I know, left coast nad all) Thanks!
9 posted on 05/08/2003 12:37:44 PM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich
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