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The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Cross-roads!
Posted on 12/17/2002 7:32:02 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!
Journey to the Cross-roads
The Two Towers Edition
Come on! Come in! -if you would like to have some seedcakes and a pint and relax a while. (If it is a special occasion, we still have a few bottles of the old wineyards left!)
Our first thread ( New Zealander builds Hobbit hole ) reached 4,100 posts, and we thought that was big. Our second thread (The New Hobbit Hole ) held us for over 48,000 posts, and we loved it dearly. We talked about moving to a new thread for the last 38,000 posts, but we are really slow to muster! Finally, the time has come. Tomorrow (at 12:01 am, to be precise!) The Two Towers comes out, and we start a new chapter.
TOPICS: The Hobbit Hole
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To: JenB
Another "for what it's worth": I think NASA should be privatized and space exploration put in the private sector.
11,041
posted on
02/01/2003 8:28:09 AM PST
by
Overtaxed
(HTML challenged today)
To: JenB
Jen, we don't have to choose between Aids and space. We will have another shuttle. No doubt about that at all. Those folk took a risk, bless them. More people will take the risk in the future. Nothing we do is ever perfect, but we still do it.
To: Overtaxed
Oh, I agree there! But then I was brought up on SF and think astronauts are heroes...
To me this is like - it's like losing - I don't even have a comparison. I do not worship celebrities or actors. Astronauts, though, are something special to me...
11,043
posted on
02/01/2003 8:30:32 AM PST
by
JenB
To: JenB
"But the space program isn't important, is it?"
I agree, yeah. IMO, space exploration is ultimately responsible for the survival of humanity.
To: Sam Cree
Airliners, though, are routinely flown that old, and older. True. But it seems to me that leaving and re-entering Earth's atmosphere would stress out an aircraft sooner than just normal air travel.
We wouldn't happen to have any aeronautical HH's or lurkers out there, would we?
11,045
posted on
02/01/2003 8:31:37 AM PST
by
Overtaxed
(HTML challenged today)
To: Overtaxed
Well, the heat and speed a shuttle takes are huge. If the heat shield is damaged too much the shuttle can burn up or disintigrate. Shuttles are built differently from airplanes. They're kind of like airplanes and spacecraft in the same vehicle.
11,046
posted on
02/01/2003 8:33:52 AM PST
by
JenB
To: Sam Cree; JenB
But the space program isn't important, is it?Oh, I misread you, Jen, thought you said is, not isn't.
IMO, the space program is of the highest importance. I believe the future and survival of humanity depends on it.
To: Sam Cree
I was being sarcastic, Sam. I think the space program is the most important thing we're doing, really.
Fox just showed a new video. You could see the breaking up. I have tears in my eyes.
11,048
posted on
02/01/2003 8:35:59 AM PST
by
JenB
To: JenB
Yeah, it is very sad. Going to try not to watch films of it.
To: JenB
I was reading on the live thread where someone said that they originally planned on using titanium but due to budget cuts ended up with aluminum.
To: Overtaxed
Those -
damned penny-pinchers.
I have contempt for NASA as an organization, but nothing but admiration and love for the astronauts, the flight controllers and engineers, everyone down to the shuttle pad sweeper. Get the government out of space!
11,051
posted on
02/01/2003 8:43:18 AM PST
by
JenB
To: Overtaxed
Everything they decided to use, every decision they made about design, worked amazingly well for over 130 flights of this shuttle program.
I think that is really notable.
To: HairOfTheDog
The guys on Fox were talking about the estimated lifetime of a shuttle being around 100 flights and that this was something like flight #107.
To: JenB
There seems to be a demand for lots of experiments in space since there's so much competition to get projects on the shuttle. Shouldn't it work in the private sector?
To: JenB
I disagree so much with attacking the nearest blamable target when something goes wrong... NASA is the space program. They love it. they live it. They put their names, hearts and lives into it. This is much more their heartbreak than it is ours, and I think I feel pain about this?
To: Overtaxed
This was Challenger's 20-something flight in a design career of 100. There have been 130 total shuttle missions.
To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; rightwingreligiousfanatic; JenB; Sam Cree; ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear
To: HairOfTheDog
I think the people are fine, wonderful, even heroes. But the beauracracy is like any big government thing, all politics and jousting for power.
The people of NASA are no doubt suffering horribly and my prayers are with them...
11,058
posted on
02/01/2003 8:55:11 AM PST
by
JenB
To: HairOfTheDog
Oh okay. But still, no one's had a shuttle program before so all these expected shuttle lifetime numbers are just guesses.
Suppose we'll know more after the investigation.
To: Overtaxed
Right, I'm taking my siblings out for a while. They don't need to obsess here
11,060
posted on
02/01/2003 8:59:51 AM PST
by
JenB
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